[Bioconversion] pelletized waxed cardboard boxes

[Dick Gallien]

Hi Don,
Paul found the abreviation WOCC (waxed old corrugated cardboard) on the
Enviro-Log website, which made me wonder if they started with old corrugated
cardboard and then waxed it, which seemed unlikely. Their "logs", say 100%
recycled waxed cardboard--clumsy choices.

Thanks for your MPCA suggestions.  Their letter, with a copy to the business
that I get the boxes from, states the law that I'm violating and that I
should stop.  I showed an Enviro-Log to the business owner and he still pays
me to take his boxes.  Dick


----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Dame" <ddame at pressenter.com>
To: <dickgallien at msn.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 4:30 PM
Subject: FW: [Bioconversion] [Stoves] pelletized waxed cardboard boxes


> Dick
>
> What's a WOCC
>
> If the MPCA keeps hassling you about burning a viable fuel, then do what
the
> huge corporations do and argue that your fuel is not and never has been a
> "waste" therefore it can not be a regulated "solid waste". You may need to
> dance around with different nouns and verbs to get the correct language to
> get them off you back.
>
> Good luck
>
> Don Dame
> Woodbury MN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bioconversion-bounces at listserv.repp.org
> [mailto:bioconversion-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of Dick Gallien
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 7:46 AM
> To: Paul S. Anderson; Roger Samson
> Cc: bioconversion at listserv.repp.org; stoves at listserv.repp.org
> Subject: Re: [Bioconversion] [Stoves] pelletized waxed cardboard boxes
>
> Thanks Paul, for your thoughtful response.
>
> Tom Reed mentioned that Coors is pelletizing malting residue as are
ethanol
> plants in this area.  Unlike these products, which can and have been used
> for cattle feed and must be dried,  packaged and shipped, waxed card board
> has already been strategically distributed and 90% is headed for
landfills.
> With a convenient system a pelletizer-bagger or pellet fed boiler could be
> as standard equipment in supermarkets as cardboard balers are. I run 2
smoky
> outdoor wood boilers year around,  In summer one heats the house water and
> the other I throw in WOCC's, which fit in the oval door of an
> Aqua-Therm--don't even need kindling and in 10 minutes the boiler water is
> up to 160Fand through a 3x3x7" heat exchanger, so I can pressure wash food
> waste barrels, which is what I'll be doing, after finishing this note and
> then into town, to collect food waste and more WOCC's, which they pay me
to
> take, because I'm cheaper than landfilling.
>
> Richard Stanely must be talking about regular cardboard, which I compost.
> Only in an insane society, where fresh foods are shipped such distances,
> would there be so many WOCC's. Waxed cardboard composts also, but it is
such
> potent fuel that is not recyclable, as regular cardboard is. I bought a
box
> of Enviro-Logs at Home Depot in Rochester, where the PCA guy's office is,
so
> that if he hassels me again for burning WOCC's, because some state law
calls
> them solid waste, which can't be burned, I'll suggest he start with Home
> Depot, which is 50 miles closer to his office. Enviro-Logs 4x4x10" logs
> weigh 5 lbs. and claim to burn for 3 hours, which is far longer than a
pile
> of loose boxes.  A small % of boxes are held together with staples, a few
of
> which I can see in the Enviro-Log.  They waste no energy in grinding,
> soaking, drying--just pressure and possibly heat and the melted wax holds
> them together.
>
> It would be a waste of energy for Hot Log and Enviro-Log to process and
ship
> pelletized WOCC's, when they have already been so well distributed and are
> impatiently waiting for some of you younger entrepreneurs to design a
> pelletizer, sell the waste saving, money making idea to Wal-Mart and then
be
> able to afford doing some worthwhile endeavor that gives you such inner
> satisfaction, that you would do it for no pay. Of course (I like this) we
> are all Rich Men, as defined as someone who will never run out of
projects.
> The wife complicates that by saying there are projects and there are
> obsessions, adding that one owns a project, where as an obsession owns
you.
> Did I mention the big wood gasifier? Dick
>
> Dick Gallien
> 22501 East Burns Valley Road
> Winona  MN  55987
> dickgallien at msn.com  [507]454-3126
>
>
> > Dick,
> >
> > The    enviro-log.net    website mentions "Waxed Old Corrugated
Cardboard
> > (WOCC)" and give interesting info.     hotlog.com    is under
> construction.
> >
> > WOCC certainly has potential as a fuel.  >
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