[Bioconversion] Conserve -- Even the Air Force Wants to Cut Oil's Role

[Mike Morin]

Advanced Wind Technologies?

It's Fascist Blowhards like you
that obfuscate and help ruin any chance
of putting forth and realizing the changes
necessary.


Workin' for peace and cooperation,

Mike Morin

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Geoff Thomas" <wind at iig.com.au>
To: "Discussion of biological conversion to fuels and chemicals" 
<bioconversion at listserv.repp.org>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Bioconversion] Conserve -- Even the Air Force Wants to Cut 
Oil's Role


> Hi all, ranting is fine, but it has to be correct ranting.
> In 2005, according to a study done by the Australian CSIRO. a conservative 
> scientific research
> organisation, the human race managed to throw 8 billion tons of carbon 
> dioxide into the
> atmosphere, 2 billion tons more than 1995, - seems pretty grim eh, but in 
> context, the natural
> world, the world of the plant kingdom, cycles 100 billion tons between the 
> atmosphere and the
> land vegetation.
> Every Year.
> Now this is the natural cycle, plants grow, taking carbon dioxide from the 
> atmosphere, turning
> into cellulose erc, then die or lose leaves and that material falls on to 
> the ground, breaks down
> into compost/mulch, is eventually eaten by worms or bacteria and the 
> carbon dioxide returns to
> the atmosphere, 100 billion tons per year.
> By diverting  some of that carbon through gasifiers, wood stoves, methane 
> digesters, charcoal
> fuel cells, various fermentation techniques and others I may not know of 
> in such a way as to save
> electricity generated by fossil fuels, we reduce that 8 billion tons while 
> not significantly
> interfering with the natural cycle.
> Of course any re-newable energy generated also helps greatly ( for example 
> the wind industry
> currently generates more than 1% of the worlds elctricity, and is 
> expanding at 30% per year, - if
> you do the figures, cumulative 30%, in 15 years wind energy alone will be 
> generating all the
> current world electricity requirement) as does conserving energy and 
> avoiding usage such as
> wasting fossil fuels on trivia, - we need to make every front a winner!
> However the point is that there is 100 billion tons going up every year, a 
> lot to work with, and
> much woody mass can be heated to give off it's flammable gases, used to 
> provide energy, and the
> rest of that mass turned into charcoal which is far more effective than 
> mulch or compost at
> helping plants grow, and that charcoal will last at least 7000 years in 
> the soil, - compost in
> the soil here in far north Queensland lasts a year if you are lucky.
> With the help of nature and our creative faculties we have the tools to 
> turn around global
> warming and indeed even claw back out of the atmosphere the extra 240 
> billion tons currently
> "surplus to requirements'  we might say.
> 100 bilion tons is a hell of a weapon, 6.5 billion aware and caring human 
> beings is a hell of a
> weapon wielder, that is all we need.
> Cheers,
> Geoff Thomas.
> Advanced Wind Technologies.
> Australia
>
>> G'day All,
>>
>> Biomass can't replace existing energy use (well, not with growing food
>> as well, let alone conservation of forests etc!) so how is it going to
>> provide the extra energy needed for all these conversions?
>>
>> Any conversion of energy is inefficient, so wastes our precious
>> bioenergy - we just have to think of things other than driving cars
>> everywhere, let alone flying! We have been far too inefficient with past
>> "conversions" and wasted too much fossil fuel on trivia.
>>
>> Gaseous fuels are best suited to stationary applications and any liquid
>> fuel will be needed for "emergency" uses.
>>
>> I think that's enough ranting for now,
>> HOOROO
>>
>> Dick Glick wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello --
>>>
>>> It's time for renewable natural gas produced from biomass -- it can't be 
>>> done inexpensively --
>>> that is to convert methane to diesel fuel for planes and vehicles, but 
>>> the technology is long
>>> known -- the German's used a version of the technology -- first in WW I 
>>> than WW II -- to
>>> produce liquid fuels -- from coal.
>>>
>> SNIP
>> --
>> Mr. Paul Harris
>> Room G8, Leske Building
>> Faculty of Sciences,
>> The  University of Adelaide, Roseworthy Campus, AUSTRALIA 5371
>> Ph    : +61 8 8303 7880
>> Fax   : +61 8 8303 7979
>> mailto:paul.harris at adelaide.edu.au
>> I now use "MailGuard" - if you do not get a reply please make contact
>> again (by fax?)
>> http://www.adelaide.edu.au/directory/paul.harris
>> Member IOBB http://www.iobbnet.org/drupal/
>>
>> CRICOS Provider Number 00123M
>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>> This email message is intended only for the addressee(s)
>> and contains information that may be confidential and/or
>> copyright.  If you are not the intended recipient please
>> notify the sender by reply email and immediately delete
>> this email. Use, disclosure or reproduction of this email
>> by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly
>> prohibited. No representation is made that this email or
>> any attachments are free of viruses. Virus scanning is
>> recommended and is the responsibility of the recipient.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bioconversion mailing list
>> Bioconversion at listserv.repp.org
>> http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/bioconversion_listserv.repp.org
>>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bioconversion mailing list
> Bioconversion at listserv.repp.org
> http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/bioconversion_listserv.repp.org
>