[Bioconversion] Conserve -- Even the Air Force Wants to CutOil's Role

Tue Jun 19 01:05:24 CDT 2007

Mike,

I find your comment very offensive and unnecessary. I believe you are also 
living in a democracy.
Maybe you do not know what a Fascist Blowhard is, but it is a terminology 
one can do without in an exchange of opinions.
Please be rational in your discussions and not abusive.

Thank you
Horst
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Morin" <mikemorin at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of biological conversion to fuels and chemicals" 
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Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Bioconversion] Conserve -- Even the Air Force Wants to 
CutOil's Role

> Advanced Wind Technologies?
>
> It's Fascist Blowhards like you
> that obfuscate and help ruin any chance
> of putting forth and realizing the changes
> necessary.
>
>
> Workin' for peace and cooperation,
>
> Mike Morin
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Geoff Thomas" <wind at iig.com.au>
> To: "Discussion of biological conversion to fuels and chemicals"
> <bioconversion at listserv.repp.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Bioconversion] Conserve -- Even the Air Force Wants to Cut
> Oil's Role
>
>
>> Hi all, ranting is fine, but it has to be correct ranting.
>> In 2005, according to a study done by the Australian CSIRO. a 
>> conservative
>> scientific research
>> organisation, the human race managed to throw 8 billion tons of carbon
>> dioxide into the
>> atmosphere, 2 billion tons more than 1995, - seems pretty grim eh, but in
>> context, the natural
>> world, the world of the plant kingdom, cycles 100 billion tons between 
>> the
>> atmosphere and the
>> land vegetation.
>> Every Year.
>> Now this is the natural cycle, plants grow, taking carbon dioxide from 
>> the
>> atmosphere, turning
>> into cellulose erc, then die or lose leaves and that material falls on to
>> the ground, breaks down
>> into compost/mulch, is eventually eaten by worms or bacteria and the
>> carbon dioxide returns to
>> the atmosphere, 100 billion tons per year.
>> By diverting  some of that carbon through gasifiers, wood stoves, methane
>> digesters, charcoal
>> fuel cells, various fermentation techniques and others I may not know of
>> in such a way as to save
>> electricity generated by fossil fuels, we reduce that 8 billion tons 
>> while
>> not significantly
>> interfering with the natural cycle.
>> Of course any re-newable energy generated also helps greatly ( for 
>> example
>> the wind industry
>> currently generates more than 1% of the worlds elctricity, and is
>> expanding at 30% per year, - if
>> you do the figures, cumulative 30%, in 15 years wind energy alone will be
>> generating all the
>> current world electricity requirement) as does conserving energy and
>> avoiding usage such as
>> wasting fossil fuels on trivia, - we need to make every front a winner!
>> However the point is that there is 100 billion tons going up every year, 
>> a
>> lot to work with, and
>> much woody mass can be heated to give off it's flammable gases, used to
>> provide energy, and the
>> rest of that mass turned into charcoal which is far more effective than
>> mulch or compost at
>> helping plants grow, and that charcoal will last at least 7000 years in
>> the soil, - compost in
>> the soil here in far north Queensland lasts a year if you are lucky.
>> With the help of nature and our creative faculties we have the tools to
>> turn around global
>> warming and indeed even claw back out of the atmosphere the extra 240
>> billion tons currently
>> "surplus to requirements'  we might say.
>> 100 bilion tons is a hell of a weapon, 6.5 billion aware and caring human
>> beings is a hell of a
>> weapon wielder, that is all we need.
>> Cheers,
>> Geoff Thomas.
>> Advanced Wind Technologies.
>> Australia
>>
>>> G'day All,
>>>
>>> Biomass can't replace existing energy use (well, not with growing food
>>> as well, let alone conservation of forests etc!) so how is it going to
>>> provide the extra energy needed for all these conversions?
>>>
>>> Any conversion of energy is inefficient, so wastes our precious
>>> bioenergy - we just have to think of things other than driving cars
>>> everywhere, let alone flying! We have been far too inefficient with past
>>> "conversions" and wasted too much fossil fuel on trivia.
>>>
>>> Gaseous fuels are best suited to stationary applications and any liquid
>>> fuel will be needed for "emergency" uses.
>>>
>>> I think that's enough ranting for now,
>>> HOOROO
>>>
>>> Dick Glick wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello --
>>>>
>>>> It's time for renewable natural gas produced from biomass -- it can't 
>>>> be
>>>> done inexpensively --
>>>> that is to convert methane to diesel fuel for planes and vehicles, but
>>>> the technology is long
>>>> known -- the German's used a version of the technology -- first in WW I
>>>> than WW II -- to
>>>> produce liquid fuels -- from coal.
>>>>
>>> SNIP
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