[Bioconversion] Conserve -- Run an Arc reformer now!!

[Peter Singfield]

How about changing the name of this list to:

Bio-Conversion-Technogeeks

And by the way -- electric arc reforming is very specific to:

"Discussion of biological conversion to fuels and chemicals"

Can anyone cross check my Gonjo math!!

Is this a potential area of interest or is it dead in bed?

AJH makes an opinioned statement -- ergo -- it is to energy intensive --
don;t even think on it.

I present some Gonjo math saying much different --

so -- nuts and bold or more opinions??

Curious mind needs to know where the nut crunchers are hiding??

I have noted of late that everything now is based on opinion -- no one
researches anything --

http://www.power-rec.com/ 

This is what started all of this -- the Noah project -- everyone knee
jerking -- it is a fraud -- it can't be!!

I did some fast research -- hey -- maybe this is worth a "valid" look-see??

Cone on Bio-Conversion-Technogeeks -- where are you all -- eh??

It looks ever so easy to make up a prototype biomass bug zapper!!

As for finding the power to invest into the Arc --

Well -- if you set one of these systems up to produce syngas for the
syngas/ethanol fermentation route -- waste heat alone might be sufficient
to make enough "steam" to produce a fair part of the arc power required??

The balance being made up by burning ethanol in a smaller genset --

And remember -- this can be done using battery packs augmented by multiple
charging sources - -ergo -- steam -- ethanol IC -- windmills -- solar
panels -- partial combustion producer gasifier --

Or -- waste heat to steam augmented by combustion of a small part of the
same biomasses heating that boiler??

Why all this "bother"??

Because from the research I have done to now -- I have never seen a more
efficient way of producing syngas from any biomass -- or hydrocarbon (waste
tires as example) -- period -- and so simple to implement!!

Certainly -- this solves what to do with used car tires in the 3rd world!!

Question -- which I shall prove today with my DC welder -- does a car tire
conduct sufficient electricity to maintain an arc??

OK -- we validate or not the arc reformer -- then move on??

It certainly is of this domain's "interest" to know -- not just mine!!

Harmon -- it would be interesting to arc some starchy foods to!!

Certainly -- spoiled foods -- spoiled oranges -- papaya -- avocado --

I'll also be arcing some cohune nuts!!

And another though -- the warm up this sucker -- how about a little partial
combustion just to bring it up to heat?? Then start the arc up!!

So -- arcing a hot bead of coals -- then once arc is well stabilized --
trickle in a steady stream of more material to be reformed.

As the reformation reaction is so powerfully endothermic -- one can govern
this process just by operating temps.

Carbon arc wants to be 15,000 or higher -- reforming is cooling it down.

So just keep feeding -- trickling in -- biomass to keep temps at -- say --
2200 F in the exhausting gas stream!!

You will then know everything in that gas has been "reformed" -- right??

Look -- it just could be that simple -- 

noah says it can do this with Chicken Poop -- everyone opines that is
impossible -- I look at it with eyes open -- and -- it is not impossible!!

It needs be investigated!!

In the small micro system I envision the battery pack would be of
sufficient capacity to run a 3rd world home for a day or three -- and when
processing is finished -- be fully charged.

The ethanol which could be then produced over the next few days by
fermentation could be used to move one's horseless carriage around -- of
horseless tractor -- 

You getting both power and liquid portable fuel --

There are plenty of excellent alcohol stoves out there to!!

Come on dudes -- break that spell -- eh??

And last ---

what do you think of these small O2 PSA units??

http://www.bodycareozone.com/ProductClass.asp?ClassID=18&NClassID=21

It is all about a small PSA system --

PSA oxygen module utilizes pressure adsorption oxygen principle, and
separates the air to obtain oxygen technologies. The module is filled with
molecular sieve, which can absorb most nitrogen. After compressor air flow
through the PSA oxygen module, nitrogen is absorbed by molecular sieve, and
the oxygen is concentrated, then go out. The unit utilizes modular design
for easy to install and maintains. It consists of molecular sieve, a
motorized distribution valve, oxygen tank and an oxygen gas pressure
regulate valve. All this make this module perfect performance and longer
use. It is used in CT/CTO series ozone generator, and also can be
manufacture as client' requests. 

Purifier compressor air makes the molecular sieve longer use 
Regulation valve can satisfy the high frequency usage of pressure
adsorption oxygen 
Adjustable molecular sieve  
The output and concentration of oxygen can be adjust in the suitable range 
The structure design is suitable for the need of running  

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Would that -- or would that not -- turn a micro sized Chinese stove
gasifier into a syngas producer of good quality -- sufficient for the
syngas/ethanol fermentation route??

Peter/Belize



At 09:40 AM 6/21/2007 -0500, Harmon Seaver wrote:
>Paul Harris wrote:
>> G'day All,
>> 
>> It looks like a parallel Bio-Conversion-Politics is required! Possibly
>> keep this List as is (for the broad minded/unsure) and make
>> Bio-Conversion-Technical (for the technogeeks) to really differentiate
>> the content (then the agitators can have a fair go too).
>>
>     But we already do have that -- the bioenery list. What's the point
>of having those same conversations here? And, I might point out -- this
>very thread was started here because Dick Glick crossposted it to both
>lists.
>
>
>
>-- 
>Harmon Seaver
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