[Bioconversion] Conserve -- Run an Arc reformer now!!

[Kevin Chisholm]

Dear Peter

Peter Singfield wrote:
> How about changing the name of this list to:
> 
> Bio-Conversion-Technogeeks
> 
> And by the way -- electric arc reforming is very specific to:
> 
> "Discussion of biological conversion to fuels and chemicals"
> 
> Can anyone cross check my Gonjo math!!
> 
> Is this a potential area of interest or is it dead in bed?

The question can be answered very simply and conclusively with a Mass 
and Energy Balance for a device converting carbon and water to CO and H2 
using electrical energy as the energy source. Until this is done, it 
would be reasonable to assume that Andrew is probably right.

Best wishes,

Kevin
> 
> AJH makes an opinioned statement -- ergo -- it is to energy intensive --
> don;t even think on it.
> 
> I present some Gonjo math saying much different --
> 
> so -- nuts and bold or more opinions??
> 
> Curious mind needs to know where the nut crunchers are hiding??
> 
> I have noted of late that everything now is based on opinion -- no one
> researches anything --
> 
> http://www.power-rec.com/ 
> 
> This is what started all of this -- the Noah project -- everyone knee
> jerking -- it is a fraud -- it can't be!!
> 
> I did some fast research -- hey -- maybe this is worth a "valid" look-see??
> 
> Cone on Bio-Conversion-Technogeeks -- where are you all -- eh??
> 
> It looks ever so easy to make up a prototype biomass bug zapper!!
> 
> As for finding the power to invest into the Arc --
> 
> Well -- if you set one of these systems up to produce syngas for the
> syngas/ethanol fermentation route -- waste heat alone might be sufficient
> to make enough "steam" to produce a fair part of the arc power required??
> 
> The balance being made up by burning ethanol in a smaller genset --
> 
> And remember -- this can be done using battery packs augmented by multiple
> charging sources - -ergo -- steam -- ethanol IC -- windmills -- solar
> panels -- partial combustion producer gasifier --
> 
> Or -- waste heat to steam augmented by combustion of a small part of the
> same biomasses heating that boiler??
> 
> Why all this "bother"??
> 
> Because from the research I have done to now -- I have never seen a more
> efficient way of producing syngas from any biomass -- or hydrocarbon (waste
> tires as example) -- period -- and so simple to implement!!
> 
> Certainly -- this solves what to do with used car tires in the 3rd world!!
> 
> Question -- which I shall prove today with my DC welder -- does a car tire
> conduct sufficient electricity to maintain an arc??
> 
> OK -- we validate or not the arc reformer -- then move on??
> 
> It certainly is of this domain's "interest" to know -- not just mine!!
> 
> Harmon -- it would be interesting to arc some starchy foods to!!
> 
> Certainly -- spoiled foods -- spoiled oranges -- papaya -- avocado --
> 
> I'll also be arcing some cohune nuts!!
> 
> And another though -- the warm up this sucker -- how about a little partial
> combustion just to bring it up to heat?? Then start the arc up!!
> 
> So -- arcing a hot bead of coals -- then once arc is well stabilized --
> trickle in a steady stream of more material to be reformed.
> 
> As the reformation reaction is so powerfully endothermic -- one can govern
> this process just by operating temps.
> 
> Carbon arc wants to be 15,000 or higher -- reforming is cooling it down.
> 
> So just keep feeding -- trickling in -- biomass to keep temps at -- say --
> 2200 F in the exhausting gas stream!!
> 
> You will then know everything in that gas has been "reformed" -- right??
> 
> Look -- it just could be that simple -- 
> 
> noah says it can do this with Chicken Poop -- everyone opines that is
> impossible -- I look at it with eyes open -- and -- it is not impossible!!
> 
> It needs be investigated!!
> 
> In the small micro system I envision the battery pack would be of
> sufficient capacity to run a 3rd world home for a day or three -- and when
> processing is finished -- be fully charged.
> 
> The ethanol which could be then produced over the next few days by
> fermentation could be used to move one's horseless carriage around -- of
> horseless tractor -- 
> 
> You getting both power and liquid portable fuel --
> 
> There are plenty of excellent alcohol stoves out there to!!
> 
> Come on dudes -- break that spell -- eh??
> 
> And last ---
> 
> what do you think of these small O2 PSA units??
> 
> http://www.bodycareozone.com/ProductClass.asp?ClassID=18&NClassID=21
> 
> It is all about a small PSA system --
> 
> PSA oxygen module utilizes pressure adsorption oxygen principle, and
> separates the air to obtain oxygen technologies. The module is filled with
> molecular sieve, which can absorb most nitrogen. After compressor air flow
> through the PSA oxygen module, nitrogen is absorbed by molecular sieve, and
> the oxygen is concentrated, then go out. The unit utilizes modular design
> for easy to install and maintains. It consists of molecular sieve, a
> motorized distribution valve, oxygen tank and an oxygen gas pressure
> regulate valve. All this make this module perfect performance and longer
> use. It is used in CT/CTO series ozone generator, and also can be
> manufacture as client' requests. 
> 
> Purifier compressor air makes the molecular sieve longer use 
> Regulation valve can satisfy the high frequency usage of pressure
> adsorption oxygen 
> Adjustable molecular sieve  
> The output and concentration of oxygen can be adjust in the suitable range 
> The structure design is suitable for the need of running  
> 
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> 
> Would that -- or would that not -- turn a micro sized Chinese stove
> gasifier into a syngas producer of good quality -- sufficient for the
> syngas/ethanol fermentation route??
> 
> Peter/Belize
>