[Bioconversion] Fw: Subject: Comments on Crest Related Emails
Dick Glick
dglickd at pipeline.com
Sun May 27 15:52:39 CDT 2007
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>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> From: Dick Glick=20
>> To: info at crest.org=20
>> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:35 PM
>> Subject: Comments on Crest Related Emails
>>
>>
>> This series of emails -- if they're unintelligible, I'll be glad to fill
>> =
>> them in =96 it started with the first sent to the Bioenergy list =96 if =
>> Tom Miles comment =96 =91garbage=92 is that of Crest=92s =96 I=92ll have
>> =
>> to consider to what kind of renewables community I have been connected.
>>
>> Hello --
>> I
>> It's clear from the item, URL, below, "It's Not Just Gas That's More =
>> Expensive -- Milk Prices are Up":=20
>> http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D6568042
>> - the absurd use of corn -- food -- in ethanol production -- is felt -- =
>> not only in milk prices, but on the cost of many food products.
>> =20
>> And then the New York Times in today's, May 25, 2007, edition carries =
>> the story: "Alternative fuel for thought" reviewing a California =
>> conference "Future in Review"=20
>> "The world's energy system as it is fundamentally unsustainable," ..... =
>> "The needlessly dirty and inefficient ways we use fuels today make it =
>> unsustainable." ..... "Efficiency itself is an alternative fuel."=20
>> Ending with:
>> "There's no way in hell we're going to persuade 300 million people to =
>> get out of their cars,"=20
>> Perhaps I'm the only one who thinks so -- but we're off to 'hell' -- if =
>> we can't conserve! Particularly when food is -- absurdly directed -- =
>> farmers and their supporters driven by greed!
>> =20
>> Further: Practice extreme conservation and conversion to renewables, =
>> CFR's renewable natural gas from biomass, solar, wind, ocean currents, =
>> distributed systems, etc., -- this Good Earth of ours is moving toward =
>> Environmental Disaster, ED!
>> Spread the word: "DON'T DRIVE ON MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND!" =20
>> Conserve -- save 15 million barrels on Memorial Day Weekend -- at =
>> today's costs that's $100 million out of the petroleum industry and OPEC
>> =
>> and Russia and all their friends -- and continue through out the year.
>> =20
>> Conserve -- save the environment from Environmental Disaster, ED, -- in =
>> general; stop driving -- car pool -- remote offices, etc., and wherever =
>> possible use renewable fuels -- not made from foods.
>> Best, Dick Glick
>> www.CorpFutRes.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Well Again --
>>
>> Your wrong "whether it's ethanol or methane or CNG or hydrogen -- you =
>> can't=20
>> burn it in an engine made for gasoline and expect > it to work as well =
>> as in=20
>> an engine modified or designed for those fuels" -- we've gone through =
>> this=20
>> discussion -- and there are millions of engines that are running on CNG =
>> -- =20
>> that have been converted from running on other petroleum fuels!
>>
>> Best, Dick
>>
>> Hello --
>>
>> Your limited vocabulary clearly corresponds with your absence of =
>> knowledge=20
>> on this issue.
>>
>> Best regards, Dick
>>
>> Hello --
>>
>> I'll just get back riding my stationary bike, watching the Indy 500 -- =
>> run=20
>> on ethanol? -- and listening to classical music through my=20
>> picture-in-picture.
>>
>> The "Great Oracle" -- I'll accept that -- you can always tune me off as =
>> I=20
>> have the Indy 500 announcer team.
>>
>> Best, Dick
>>
>> Thanks Tom --
>>
>> If you think my attitude is bad and what I'm submitting is 'garbage' -- =
>> I=20
>> find your comment consistent with your inappropriate responses to my=20
>> contributions.
>> Garbage? With that kind of comment -- I think it's you that needs to =
>> remove=20
>> yourself from control of this list! My content features a U. S. scale=20
>> solution to renewables. If that's garbage -- so be it. If my facts =
>> are=20
>> garbage -- please be explicit as to what you classify as garbage? Where
>> =
>>
>> does your vocabulary start.
>>
>> After more than 60 years in academics and viewing the slow deteriation =
>> of=20
>> the American student in physical science and engineering areas, I can=20
>> understand why the U. S. is in such trouble straightening out its =
>> problems=20
>> from educational to environmental.
>>
>> Best, Dick
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> From: "Tom Miles" <tmiles at trmiles.com>
>> To: "'Dick Glick'" <dglickd at pipeline.com>; <bioenergy at listserv.repp.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 3:54 PM
>> Subject: RE: [Bioenergy] Conserve -- It's Not Just Gas That's More=20
>> Expensive --Milk Prices are Up
>>
>>
>>> Wrong attitude, Dick. Tune yourself off unless you have something =
>> positive
>>> to contribute.
>>>
>>> As I have told you offline many people on this list have complained =
>> that
>>> they are tired of your almost daily newscast and negative ranting. The
>>> purpose of this list is to find ways to use bioenergy not to dump on =
>> other
>>> people's efforts to do so. People subscribe to this list to make =
>> contacts
>>> and discuss options with others. They unsubscribe when you dominate =
>> the
>>> bandwidth with your grumpy garbage. You've worn out your welcome.
>>>
>>> So if you don't have something constructive to say, don't say it.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your cooperation,
>>>
>>> Tom Miles
>>> Bioenergy Lists Administrator
>>>
>>>>The "Great Oracle" -- I'll accept that -- you can always tune me off =
>> as I
>>>>have the Indy 500 announcer team.
>>>
>>>>Best, Dick
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> From: "Harmon Seaver" <hseaver at gmail.com>
>> To: <bioenergy at listserv.repp.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 1:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Bioenergy] Ethanol Guzzles Gas
>>
>>
>>> Yeah, well, once again --- whether it's ethanol or methane or CNG or
>>> hydrogen -- you can't burn it in an engine made for gasoline and =
>> expect
>>> it to work as well as in an engine modified or designed for those =
>> fuels.
>>> And they all have pretty much the same needs -- higher compression (or =
>> a
>>> turbo, which gives you effectively a higher compression ratio), and =
>> more
>>> spark advance.
>>> You really need a CR of about 14-16 to 1. The simplest way to make a
>>> real "flex-fuel" vehicle is just use a computer controlled turbo with =
>> a
>>> knock sensor on the engine. Most any car with a turbo will do this.
>>> You can do it somewhat effectively just with any car with a knock
>>> sensor and computer controlled spark advance. My '91 Toyota pickup =
>> runs
>>> just fine on E20. So does my wife's '96 Toyota RAV4. Just manually
>>> adjust your distributor for a little more advance and let the knock
>>> sensor take care of the rest.
>>> Pretty simple stuff. My son says he gets much better power with his
>>> turbo Audi on E20 -- he normally has to use premium gas -- and has
>>> played around with higher mixes, says the power just keeps going up, =
>> and
>>> if he had time to replace the rubber parts in his fuel system to make
>>> sure they were all alcohol proof he'd burn E85.
>>> I never cease to be amazed at how clueless all these people are who
>>> complain about poor mileage with ethanol. Duh!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Denny Haldeman wrote:
>>>> I just noticed a 25% decrease in gas mileage yesterday while passing=20
>>>> through the corn belt and having the 10% ethanol blend in a tankfull. =
>> It=20
>>>> is also extremely volatile while pumping it and hard on the lungs. =
>> Denny
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --=20
>>> Harmon Seaver
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Bioenergy mailing list
>>> Bioenergy at listserv.repp.org
>>> http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/bioenergy_listserv.repp.org
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>> <DIV><STRONG>Perhaps this will go through -- </STRONG> <A=20
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>> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
>> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
>> title=3Ddglickd at pipeline.com href=3D"mailto:dglickd at pipeline.com">Dick =
>> Glick</A>=20
>> </DIV>
>> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dinfo at crest.org=20
>> href=3D"mailto:info at crest.org">info at crest.org</A> </DIV>
>> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:35 PM</DIV>
>> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Comments on Crest Related Emails</DIV></DIV>
>> <DIV><BR></DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG>This series of emails -- if they're unintelligible, I'll be
>> =
>> glad to=20
>> fill them in =96 it started with the first sent to the Bioenergy list =
>> =96 if Tom=20
>> Miles comment =96 =91garbage=92 is that of Crest=92s =96 I=92ll have to =
>> consider to what=20
>> kind of renewables community I have been connected.<BR></STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG>Hello --<BR>I</STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG>It's clear from the item, URL, below, "It's Not Just Gas =
>> That's=20
>> More Expensive -- Milk Prices are Up": <BR><A=20
>> href=3D"http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=3D6568042">http://www.wtol=
>> .com/Global/story.asp?S=3D6568042</A><BR>-=20
>> the absurd use of corn -- food -- in ethanol production -- is felt -- =
>> not only=20
>> in milk prices, but on the cost of many food products.<BR> <BR>And =
>> then the=20
>> New York Times in today's, May 25, 2007, edition carries the story: =
>> "Alternative=20
>> fuel for thought" reviewing a California conference "Future in Review" =
>> <BR>"The=20
>> world's energy system as it is fundamentally unsustainable," .....
>> "The=20
>> needlessly dirty and inefficient ways we use fuels today make it=20
>> unsustainable." ..... "Efficiency itself is an alternative
>> fuel."=20
>> <BR>Ending with:<BR>"There's no way in hell we're going to persuade 300 =
>> million=20
>> people to get out of their cars," <BR>Perhaps I'm the only one who =
>> thinks so --=20
>> but we're off to 'hell' -- if we can't conserve! Particularly when
>> =
>> food is=20
>> -- absurdly directed -- farmers and their supporters driven by=20
>> greed!<BR> <BR>Further: Practice extreme conservation and =
>> conversion to=20
>> renewables, CFR's renewable natural gas from biomass, solar, wind, ocean
>> =
>>
>> currents, distributed systems, etc., -- this Good Earth of ours is =
>> moving toward=20
>> Environmental Disaster, ED!<BR>Spread the word: "DON'T DRIVE ON MEMORIAL
>> =
>> DAY=20
>> WEEKEND!" <BR>Conserve -- save 15 million barrels on Memorial Day =
>> Weekend=20
>> -- at today's costs that's $100 million out of the petroleum industry =
>> and OPEC=20
>> and Russia and all their friends -- and continue through out the =
>> year. =20
>> <BR>Conserve -- save the environment from Environmental Disaster, ED, --
>> =
>> in=20
>> general; stop driving -- car pool -- remote offices, etc., and wherever =
>> possible=20
>> use renewable fuels -- not made from foods.<BR>Best, Dick Glick<BR><A=20
>> href=3D"http://www.CorpFutRes.com">www.CorpFutRes.com</A></STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV> </DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
>> <DIV> </DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG>Well Again --</STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV> </DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG>Your wrong "whether it's ethanol or methane or CNG or =
>> hydrogen --=20
>> you can't <BR>burn it in an engine made for gasoline and expect > it =
>> to work=20
>> as well as in <BR>an engine modified or designed for those fuels" -- =
>> we've gone=20
>> through this <BR>discussion -- and there are millions of engines that =
>> are=20
>> running on CNG -- <BR>that have been converted from running on =
>> other=20
>> petroleum fuels!</STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV> </DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG>Best, Dick</STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV> </DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG>Hello --</STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV> </DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG>Your limited vocabulary clearly corresponds with your =
>> absence of=20
>> knowledge <BR>on this issue.</STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV> </DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG>Best regards, Dick</STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV> </DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG>Hello --</STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV> </DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG>I'll just get back riding my stationary bike, watching the =
>> Indy 500=20
>> -- run <BR>on ethanol? -- and listening to classical music through my=20
>> <BR>picture-in-picture.</STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV> </DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG>The "Great Oracle" -- I'll accept that -- you can always =
>> tune me=20
>> off as I <BR>have the Indy 500 announcer team.</STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV> </DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG>Best, Dick</STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV> </DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG>Thanks Tom --</STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV> </DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG>If you think my attitude is bad and what I'm submitting
>> is=20
>> 'garbage' -- I <BR>find your comment consistent with your
>> inappropriate=20
>> responses to my <BR>contributions.<BR>Garbage? With that kind of =
>> comment=20
>> -- I think it's you that needs to remove <BR>yourself from control of =
>> this=20
>> list! My content features a U. S. scale <BR>solution to =
>> renewables. =20
>> If that's garbage -- so be it. If my facts are <BR>garbage =
>> -- please=20
>> be explicit as to what you classify as garbage? Where <BR>does =
>> your=20
>> vocabulary start.</STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV> </DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG>After more than 60 years in academics and viewing the
>> slow=20
>> deteriation of <BR>the American student in physical science and =
>> engineering=20
>> areas, I can <BR>understand why the U. S. is in such trouble =
>> straightening out=20
>> its problems <BR>from educational to environmental.</STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV> </DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG>Best, Dick</STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV> </DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Tom Miles" <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:tmiles at trmiles.com">tmiles at trmiles.com</A>><BR>To: =
>> "'Dick=20
>> Glick'" <<A =
>> href=3D"mailto:dglickd at pipeline.com">dglickd at pipeline.com</A>>;=20
>> <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:bioenergy at listserv.repp.org">bioenergy at listserv.repp.org</=
>> A>><BR>Sent:=20
>> Sunday, May 27, 2007 3:54 PM<BR>Subject: RE: [Bioenergy] Conserve -- =
>> It's Not=20
>> Just Gas That's More <BR>Expensive --Milk Prices are Up</STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV> </DIV><STRONG>
>> <DIV><BR>> Wrong attitude, Dick. Tune yourself off unless you have =
>> something=20
>> positive<BR>> to contribute.<BR>><BR>> As I have told you =
>> offline many=20
>> people on this list have complained that<BR>> they are tired of your =
>> almost=20
>> daily newscast and negative ranting. The<BR>> purpose of this list is
>> =
>> to find=20
>> ways to use bioenergy not to dump on other<BR>> people's efforts to =
>> do so.=20
>> People subscribe to this list to make contacts<BR>> and discuss =
>> options with=20
>> others. They unsubscribe when you dominate the<BR>> bandwidth with =
>> your=20
>> grumpy garbage. You've worn out your welcome.<BR>><BR>> So if you =
>> don't=20
>> have something constructive to say, don't say it.<BR>><BR>> Thanks
>> =
>> for=20
>> your cooperation,<BR>><BR>> Tom Miles<BR>> Bioenergy Lists=20
>> Administrator<BR>><BR>>>The "Great Oracle" -- I'll accept that =
>> -- you=20
>> can always tune me off as I<BR>>>have the Indy 500 announcer=20
>> team.<BR>><BR>>>Best, Dick<BR>><BR>></DIV>
>> <DIV> </DIV>
>> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Harmon Seaver" <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:hseaver at gmail.com">hseaver at gmail.com</A>><BR>To: =
>> <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:bioenergy at listserv.repp.org">bioenergy at listserv.repp.org</=
>> A>><BR>Sent:=20
>> Sunday, May 27, 2007 1:51 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Bioenergy] Ethanol Guzzles
>> =
>>
>> Gas</DIV>
>> <DIV> </DIV>
>> <DIV><BR>> Yeah, well, once again --- whether it's ethanol or =
>> methane=20
>> or CNG or<BR>> hydrogen -- you can't burn it in an engine made for =
>> gasoline=20
>> and expect<BR>> it to work as well as in an engine modified or =
>> designed for=20
>> those fuels.<BR>> And they all have pretty much the same needs -- =
>> higher=20
>> compression (or a<BR>> turbo, which gives you effectively a higher=20
>> compression ratio), and more<BR>> spark advance.<BR>> =
>> You=20
>> really need a CR of about 14-16 to 1. The simplest way to make a<BR>>
>> =
>> real=20
>> "flex-fuel" vehicle is just use a computer controlled turbo with =
>> a<BR>> knock=20
>> sensor on the engine. Most any car with a turbo will do=20
>> this.<BR>> You can do it somewhat effectively just with =
>> any car=20
>> with a knock<BR>> sensor and computer controlled spark advance. My =
>> '91 Toyota=20
>> pickup runs<BR>> just fine on E20. So does my wife's '96 Toyota RAV4.
>> =
>> Just=20
>> manually<BR>> adjust your distributor for a little more advance and =
>> let the=20
>> knock<BR>> sensor take care of the rest.<BR>> Pretty =
>> simple=20
>> stuff. My son says he gets much better power with his<BR>> turbo Audi
>> =
>> on E20=20
>> -- he normally has to use premium gas -- and has<BR>> played around =
>> with=20
>> higher mixes, says the power just keeps going up, and<BR>> if he had =
>> time to=20
>> replace the rubber parts in his fuel system to make<BR>> sure they =
>> were all=20
>> alcohol proof he'd burn E85.<BR>> I never cease to be =
>> amazed at=20
>> how clueless all these people are who<BR>> complain about poor =
>> mileage with=20
>> ethanol. Duh!<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Denny Haldeman =
>> wrote:<BR>>>=20
>> I just noticed a 25% decrease in gas mileage yesterday while passing=20
>> <BR>>> through the corn belt and having the 10% ethanol blend in a
>> =
>>
>> tankfull. It <BR>>> is also extremely volatile while pumping
>> =
>> it and=20
>> hard on the lungs. Denny<BR>>><BR>><BR>><BR>> -- =
>> <BR>>=20
>> Harmon Seaver<BR>><BR>>=20
>> _______________________________________________<BR>> Bioenergy =
>> mailing=20
>> list<BR>> <A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:Bioenergy at listserv.repp.org">Bioenergy at listserv.repp.org</=
>> A><BR>>=20
>> <A=20
>> href=3D"http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/bioenergy_listserv.repp=
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