[Digestion] Digestion Digest, Vol 11, Issue 22
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Fri May 25 18:42:44 CDT 2007
Those who know dont know that they dont know everything
Vishwas Gokhale
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> 1. Re: An apology (Tom Miles)
> 2. Analytical Data on Feedstocks (M. Charles Gould)
> 3. Re: Analytical Data on Feedstocks (Tom Miles)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 19:11:13 -0700
> From: "Tom Miles" <tmiles at trmiles.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digestion] An apology
> To: "'Paul Harris'" <paul.harris at adelaide.edu.au>, "'Duncan Martin'"
> <duncanjmartin at eircom.net>
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> Paul,
>
> We'll add a link to the archive site.
>
> Thanks for the suggestion.
>
> Tom
>
>
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> From: digestion-bounces at listserv.repp.org
> [mailto:digestion-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of Paul Harris
> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:47 PM
> To: Duncan Martin
> Cc: digestion at listserv.repp.org
> Subject: Re: [Digestion] An apology
>
> G'day All,
>
> It IS hard to get some of the "vibes" via e-mail! I also get my
> share of
> optimistic students.
>
> The "Beginners Guide" was set up to try and assist "beginners", so
> feelfree to refer people to it at
> http://www.adelaide.edu.au/biogas/ (now).
> I should see if a link can be added to the REPP archive site.
>
> Happy Digesting,
> HOOROO
>
> Duncan Martin wrote:
> >
> > I seem to have stirred up a hornet's nest with my rather
> flippant response
> > to what seemed to me an excessively elementary question a few
> weeks ago.
> > Donna's response (below) is the most pointed but I have taken
> note of the
> > others.
> >
> > My reply WAS inappropriate - in tone and content and I wish to
> apologizeto
> > all forum members. I agree that it is important that users feel
> free to
> ask
> > any question they wish to in such a forum.
> >
> > While I appreciate the postings from one or two colleagues
> giving some
> > support for the view that some questions are TOO elementary for this
> forum,
> > that does not justify me failing to treat the questioner with
> respect. My
> > posting probably read more rudely than it was meant - my
> intention was a
> > light-hearted reproof, not to 'flame'. However, I should know by
> now that
> > humour doesn't travel well - especially via electronic media.
> >
> > My only excuse is that I have perhaps spent too long working in
> universities
> > and fielding email enquiries about my research that rather too
> often turn
> > out to be from students trying to get a dissertation or thesis
> written> without once visiting the library. And, yes, there have
> been a few of them
> > visiting this forum. However, that's no excuse for discourtesy -
> even at
> the
> > end of a trying day.
> >
> > Elitism? No. Regular users will know that I often answer the
> enquiries of
> > others, including the 'elementary' ones.
> >
> > Intolerance of ignorance? No. Intolerance of laziness? Yes. But
> I was out
> of
> > order in assuming that was what lay behind the enquiry. And, as
> Donna> implies, if I hadn't time to answer it, I didn't need to.
> >
> > So, lets keep talking!
> >
> > Duncan
> >
> > ================================
> > CONTACT DETAILS
> > Duncan J Martin, PhD, CEng, CSci, MIEI, MCIWM, MIChemE
> > 24 Townsfield, Cloughjordan, N Tipperary, Ireland
> > Home: +353 505 42087
> > Mobile: +353 86 8377 906
> > Email: duncanjmartin at eircom.net
> > ================================
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Donna Soroka" <horses3dog1 at yahoo.com>
> > To: <digestion at listserv.repp.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:03 PM
> > Subject: [Digestion] No Stupid Questions....
> >
> > > Sounds to me like we have at least one elitist in this group
> that has
> > > shunned the idea of sharing information. No, not everyone in
> this forum
> > > has unlimited access to internet resources. No, not everyone
> in this
> > > forum is computer savvy enough at this immediate time to know
> where to
> > > even begin to look for answers to questions. No, not everyone
> in this
> > > forum is rude enough to tell another member where to get off just
> because
> > > he didn't want to answer what HE determined was an impertinent
> question.> > If I may be so bold, I would think most of us joined
> this forum to
> LEARN.
> > > With all of the information on the internet to be gleaned IF
> you know
> > > where to look, it's easy to understand some possible confusion and
> > > questions asked to clear up that confusion.
> > >
> > > Those with knowledge already attained are invaluable to this
> forum, but
> I
> > > do believe a little more acceptance and tolerance for those
> who DON'T
> > > happen know everything might be in order here.
> > >
> > > -Donna
> > >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:49:21 -0400
> From: "M. Charles Gould" <gouldm at msu.edu>
> Subject: [Digestion] Analytical Data on Feedstocks
> To: digestion at listserv.repp.org
> Cc: Michelle Crook <CrookMi at michigan.gov>
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> I work with farmers in West Michigan on manure management issues,
> and
> for the past several years have focused a lot of my time on
> anaerobic
> digestion as a component of a sustainable manure management plan.
> The
> increased numbers of biodiesel and ethanol plants in Michigan have
> presented the opportunity for dairy and swine farmers with
> digesters
> to use glycerin (a biodesiel by-product) and syrup stillage (an
> ethanol by-product) with manure to increase gas production. The
> mixing of these feedstocks has caught the eye of the Michigan
> Department of Environmental Quality (MDEQ). Because there are no
> regulations per se that deal with anaerobic digesters and products
> coming from anaerobic digesters, the MDEQ is feeling threatened
> and
> has given us a huge list of VOCs, SVOCs and metals to test for in
> order to get a solid waste exemption. The agriculture community
> has
> been down this road before in terms of exorbitant analytical
> testing
> required by the MDEQ, most recently with composting manure and
> animal
> mortalities. We want to avoid as much hassle as possible. Both
> myself
> and a colleague from the Michigan Department of Agriculture have
> mined the web for information and have talked with people we
> thought
> may have analytical data to show what is in the feedstocks and
> what
> is in the solid and liquid digestate after digestion. We are
> coming
> up empty for the most part, so I am asking you, an international
> audience, for some help. Can you direct me to published analytical
> data that shows the VOC, SVOC and metals content of feedstocks
> (such
> as glycerin, syrup stillage, food processing residuals, etc.)
> prior
> to going in a digester and the VOC, SVOC and metals content of
> both
> the liquid and solid digestate after digestion where various
> feedstock were added to manure?
>
> Thank you for considering my request, and I look forward to your
> response!
> Charles Gould
> Grand Haven, MI
> USA
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:10:15 -0700
> From: "Tom Miles" <tmiles at trmiles.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digestion] Analytical Data on Feedstocks
> To: "'M. Charles Gould'" <gouldm at msu.edu>,
> <digestion at listserv.repp.org>
> Cc: 'Michelle Crook' <CrookMi at michigan.gov>
> Message-ID: <000001c79ed6$6bd26910$43773b30$@com>
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> Charles,
>
> This is a great request, very timely. Glycerin use or disposal has
> become a
> major issue for the biodiesel plants.
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom Miles
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: digestion-bounces at listserv.repp.org
> [mailto:digestion-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of M.
> Charles Gould
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 6:49 AM
> To: digestion at listserv.repp.org
> Cc: Michelle Crook
> Subject: [Digestion] Analytical Data on Feedstocks
>
> I work with farmers in West Michigan on manure management issues,
> and
> for the past several years have focused a lot of my time on
> anaerobic
> digestion as a component of a sustainable manure management plan.
> The
> increased numbers of biodiesel and ethanol plants in Michigan have
> presented the opportunity for dairy and swine farmers with
> digesters
> to use glycerin (a biodesiel by-product) and syrup stillage (an
> ethanol by-product) with manure to increase gas production. The
> mixing of these feedstocks has caught the eye of the Michigan
> Department of Environmental Quality (MDEQ). Because there are no
> regulations per se that deal with anaerobic digesters and products
> coming from anaerobic digesters, the MDEQ is feeling threatened
> and
> has given us a huge list of VOCs, SVOCs and metals to test for in
> order to get a solid waste exemption. The agriculture community
> has
> been down this road before in terms of exorbitant analytical
> testing
> required by the MDEQ, most recently with composting manure and
> animal
> mortalities. We want to avoid as much hassle as possible. Both
> myself
> and a colleague from the Michigan Department of Agriculture have
> mined the web for information and have talked with people we
> thought
> may have analytical data to show what is in the feedstocks and
> what
> is in the solid and liquid digestate after digestion. We are
> coming
> up empty for the most part, so I am asking you, an international
> audience, for some help. Can you direct me to published analytical
> data that shows the VOC, SVOC and metals content of feedstocks
> (such
> as glycerin, syrup stillage, food processing residuals, etc.)
> prior
> to going in a digester and the VOC, SVOC and metals content of
> both
> the liquid and solid digestate after digestion where various
> feedstock were added to manure?
>
> Thank you for considering my request, and I look forward to your
> response!
> Charles Gould
> Grand Haven, MI
> USA
>
>
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