[Digestion] "Bio-CNG"
Daniel Musgrove
dmusgrove at uesolutions.com
Mon Sep 10 10:37:26 EDT 2007
While out in the field, I'm already hearing reference to "bio-CNG", or just
'renewable CNG'. For example, I believe City of Los Angeles is getting
ready to study how to get their hands on 'renewable' forms of CNG or LNG for
their bus and waste collection NGV fleets.
I personally prefer "bio-CNG" - since in inherently refers back to the fact
that it is a biologically produced form of methane. We already use
'biomethane'. Why not stick with bioCNG?
Daniel Musgrove
Universal Entech, LLC
3330 West Broadway Road
Phoenix, AZ 85041
(602) 268-8849
dmusgrove at uesolutions.com
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3. Re: PE-CNG A better name! (Katahdin Energy Works)
4. request for information on available biogas technology
training (fest durojaiye)
5. Biogas yields for tropical energy crops (Lou Dobb)
6. Re: Biogas yields for tropical energy crops (Warren Weisman)
7. Re: PE-CNG A better name! (Warren Weisman)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:21:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Warren Weisman <weiswar at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Digestion] PE-CNG A better name!
To: Ken Calvert <renertech at xtra.co.nz>, digestion at listserv.repp.org
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I think it was Alejandro who offered CBG and CNG. This
makes since unless CBG already stands for something
I'm not aware of?
Warren Weisman
USA
--- Ken Calvert <renertech at xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> What about 'Bio-CNG'??
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim and Amy Rankin" <ajrankin at westal.net>
> To: "Warren Weisman" <weiswar at yahoo.com>;
> <digestion at listserv.repp.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 12:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digestion] PE-CNG and CNG
>
>
> >
> > Warren,
> > I would say if you feel "biogas" isn't
> descriptive, what about "Bio-CNG". I
> > think it would be more immediately recognisable
> than the "PE".
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > James R Rankin, DVM
> > Cedarcrest Farms, Inc
> > Faunsdale, AL USA
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm writing a grant for our biogas bus project
> and
> >> wanted to get the group's opinion on my use of
> the
> >> term PE-CNG for Present Era Compressed Natural
> Gas to
> >> distinguish compressed biogas from the already
> >> accepted term Compressed Natural Gas (CNG), or
> field
> >> gas, a fossil fuel. Let me know if this
> eliminates or
> >> adds to confusion.
> >
> >
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 13:04:14 -0400
From: "Dr. Ann C. Wilkie" <acwilkie at ufl.edu>
Subject: Re: [Digestion] PE-CNG A better name!
To: Warren Weisman <weiswar at yahoo.com>
Cc: digestion at listserv.repp.org
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All,
How about RNG-renewable natural gas?
_____________________
Warren Weisman wrote:
> I think it was Alejandro who offered CBG and CNG. This
> makes since unless CBG already stands for something
> I'm not aware of?
>
> Warren Weisman
> USA
>
>
> --- Ken Calvert <renertech at xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
>
>>What about 'Bio-CNG'??
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Jim and Amy Rankin" <ajrankin at westal.net>
>>To: "Warren Weisman" <weiswar at yahoo.com>;
>><digestion at listserv.repp.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 12:26 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Digestion] PE-CNG and CNG
>>
>>
>>
>>>Warren,
>>>I would say if you feel "biogas" isn't
>>
>>descriptive, what about "Bio-CNG". I
>>
>>>think it would be more immediately recognisable
>>
>>than the "PE".
>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>James R Rankin, DVM
>>>Cedarcrest Farms, Inc
>>>Faunsdale, AL USA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm writing a grant for our biogas bus project
>>
>>and
>>
>>>>wanted to get the group's opinion on my use of
>>
>>the
>>
>>>>term PE-CNG for Present Era Compressed Natural
>>
>>Gas to
>>
>>>>distinguish compressed biogas from the already
>>>>accepted term Compressed Natural Gas (CNG), or
>>
>>field
>>
>>>>gas, a fossil fuel. Let me know if this
>>
>>eliminates or
>>
>>>>adds to confusion.
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Digestion mailing list
>>>Digestion at listserv.repp.org
>>>
>>
> http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/digestion_listserv.repp.org
>
>>>Beginner's Guide to Biogas
>>>http://www.adelaide.edu.au/biogas/
>>>http://info.bioenergylists.org
>>>
>>
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>>Beginner's Guide to Biogas
>>http://www.adelaide.edu.au/biogas/
>>http://info.bioenergylists.org
>>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 17:37:43 -0100
From: "Katahdin Energy Works" <KatahdinEnergyWorks at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Digestion] PE-CNG A better name!
To: "'Dr. Ann C. Wilkie'" <acwilkie at ufl.edu>, "'Warren Weisman'"
<weiswar at yahoo.com>
Cc: digestion at listserv.repp.org
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I would caution you against using inventive, somewhat p.c., language in your
grant proposal when at some time in the future, to keep your bus running,
you have to resort to gases from other sources.
Other than time; there isn't all that much difference between our
Manure2Energytm digesters and one using gas from ancient deposits of manure
and organic matter.
What may be most important are the level of emissions from the bus; and not
the source of the gas. Having the 'greenest' bus on the block is almost like
have the most clever vanity plate; even worse is when you are passed by one
covered in solar panels!
Frank J. Heller, MPA
KATAHDIN ENERGY WORKS
12 Belmont St.
Brunswick, ME 04011-3004
207.729.6090
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[mailto:digestion-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of Dr. Ann C. Wilkie
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 4:04 PM
To: Warren Weisman
Cc: digestion at listserv.repp.org
Subject: Re: [Digestion] PE-CNG A better name!
All,
How about RNG-renewable natural gas?
_____________________
Warren Weisman wrote:
> I think it was Alejandro who offered CBG and CNG. This
> makes since unless CBG already stands for something
> I'm not aware of?
>
> Warren Weisman
> USA
>
>
> --- Ken Calvert <renertech at xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
>
>>What about 'Bio-CNG'??
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Jim and Amy Rankin" <ajrankin at westal.net>
>>To: "Warren Weisman" <weiswar at yahoo.com>;
>><digestion at listserv.repp.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 12:26 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Digestion] PE-CNG and CNG
>>
>>
>>
>>>Warren,
>>>I would say if you feel "biogas" isn't
>>
>>descriptive, what about "Bio-CNG". I
>>
>>>think it would be more immediately recognisable
>>
>>than the "PE".
>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>James R Rankin, DVM
>>>Cedarcrest Farms, Inc
>>>Faunsdale, AL USA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm writing a grant for our biogas bus project
>>
>>and
>>
>>>>wanted to get the group's opinion on my use of
>>
>>the
>>
>>>>term PE-CNG for Present Era Compressed Natural
>>
>>Gas to
>>
>>>>distinguish compressed biogas from the already
>>>>accepted term Compressed Natural Gas (CNG), or
>>
>>field
>>
>>>>gas, a fossil fuel. Let me know if this
>>
>>eliminates or
>>
>>>>adds to confusion.
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Digestion mailing list
>>>Digestion at listserv.repp.org
>>>
>>
> http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/digestion_listserv.repp.org
>
>>>Beginner's Guide to Biogas
>>>http://www.adelaide.edu.au/biogas/
>>>http://info.bioenergylists.org
>>>
>>
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>>http://www.adelaide.edu.au/biogas/
>>http://info.bioenergylists.org
>>
>
>
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Soil and Water Science Department Fax: (352)392-7008
University of Florida-IFAS
P.O. Box 110960 E-mail: acwilkie at ufl.edu
Gainesville, FL 32611-0960
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 16:41:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: fest durojaiye <durofestdot at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Digestion] request for information on available biogas
technology training
To: digestion at listserv.repp.org
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I am planing to construct a digester on my farm as a
way of tackling farm waste. could anyone advice me on
where to go for training and consultation on digester
construction and management.
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 16:49:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lou Dobb <congoagriculture at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Digestion] Biogas yields for tropical energy crops
To: Digestion at listserv.repp.org
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Hi all, I'm new to this mailing list. Thanks for the very interesting
resources and discussions.
I have been trying to find some data on biogas yields for tropical energy
crops (such as sugarcane, sweet sorghum, cassava, sweet potato, grass
species, tropical sugar beet, etc...). But I can't find much.
In my search I only found data on crops grown in temperate and even cold
climates (Finland).
E.g. Annimari Lehtom?ki: "Biogas production from energy crops and crop
residues", Jyv?skyl? Studies in Biological and Environmental Sciences 163,
PhD Dissertation, Faculty of Mathematics and Sciences, University of
Jyv?skyl?, 2006.
http://dissertations.jyu.fi/studbiol/9513925595.pdf
Could anyone help me compile a list of yields for tropical crops?
We could use the list for a wiki, as a basic reference.
How come there are so little data on this? I don't understand.
Best regards,
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:03:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Warren Weisman <weiswar at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Digestion] Biogas yields for tropical energy crops
To: Lou Dobb <congoagriculture at yahoo.com>, Digestion at listserv.repp.org
Message-ID: <909654.48600.qm at web62403.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
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I think there's so little and so much conflicting data
is that digestion is not an exact science. A small,
well-maintained digester can out-perform a big, fancy
one. The second most important aspect of digestion,
after an airtight environment, is the proper carbon to
nitrogen ratio, which I did not see referred to in the
article.
Here's the volumes from "A Chinese Biogas Manual",
which I consider the best source of information on
digestion and biogas, since its empirical data
gathered from making MILLIONS of digesters...
volumes are per tonne of material:
General Stable Manure 260-280 cu.m. gas 50-60% CH4
Pig Manure 561 cu.m. gas
Horse Manure 200-300 cu.m. gas
Rice husks 615 cu.m. gas
Fresh grass 630 cu.m. gas 70% CH4
Flax stalks or hemp 359 cu.m. gas 59% CH4
Straw 342 cu.m. gas 59% CH4
Leaves from trees 210-294 cu.m. gas 58% CH4
Potato plant leaves & vine, etc. 260-280 cu.m.
Sunflower leaves & stalks 300 cu.m. 58% CH4
Sludge 640 cu.m. 50% CH4
Waste water from wine or spirits making 300-600 cu.m.
58% CH4
--- Lou Dobb <congoagriculture at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi all, I'm new to this mailing list. Thanks for the
> very interesting resources and discussions.
>
> I have been trying to find some data on biogas
> yields for tropical energy crops (such as sugarcane,
> sweet sorghum, cassava, sweet potato, grass species,
> tropical sugar beet, etc...). But I can't find much.
>
> In my search I only found data on crops grown in
> temperate and even cold climates (Finland).
>
> E.g. Annimari Lehtom?ki: "Biogas production from
> energy crops and crop residues", Jyv?skyl? Studies
> in Biological and Environmental Sciences 163, PhD
> Dissertation, Faculty of Mathematics and Sciences,
> University of Jyv?skyl?, 2006.
>
> http://dissertations.jyu.fi/studbiol/9513925595.pdf
>
> Could anyone help me compile a list of yields for
> tropical crops?
>
> We could use the list for a wiki, as a basic
> reference.
>
>
> How come there are so little data on this? I don't
> understand.
>
> Best regards,
> Lou
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:25:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Warren Weisman <weiswar at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Digestion] PE-CNG A better name!
To: fjheller at verizon.net, "'Dr. Ann C. Wilkie'" <acwilkie at ufl.edu>
Cc: digestion at listserv.repp.org
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I have been a large engine mechanic for nearly 18
years. I have a vague understanding of fuel systems,
including spark-ignited compressed gas systems.
The CO2 released during combustion of present era
biogas is the same amount the plants would release if
they were left to decompose normally. This amount is
more than offset by the amount of CO2 the plants
absorb for food during their life cycle. Hence, if we
burn present-era biogas in an engine, we are
contributing zero net greenhouse gas emissions. Not
little, but ZERO. In addition to running cleaner and
quieter and cooler.
The CO2 from field gas is from an entirely different
geological age in the earth's history. That CO2 is not
supposed to be released into our present atmosphere.
This makes a profound difference between biogas and
Natural Gas in environmental benefits.
That said. For this bus we will be using the 100 MMscf
of biogas currently being flared at our local
wastewater treatment facility, so we are capturing
"free" biogas that would ordinarily be wasted. I'm
pretty sure 100 MMscf will run one bus and we will not
be resorting to using other fuels.
If our local government would like to add more buses,
we will build some food waste digesters to generate
the fuel.
Warren Weisman
USA
-- Katahdin Energy Works
<KatahdinEnergyWorks at verizon.net> wrote:
> I would caution you against using inventive,
> somewhat p.c., language in your
> grant proposal when at some time in the future, to
> keep your bus running,
> you have to resort to gases from other sources.
>
> Other than time; there isn't all that much
> difference between our
> Manure2Energytm digesters and one using gas from
> ancient deposits of manure
> and organic matter.
>
> What may be most important are the level of
> emissions from the bus; and not
> the source of the gas. Having the 'greenest' bus on
> the block is almost like
> have the most clever vanity plate; even worse is
> when you are passed by one
> covered in solar panels!
>
> Frank J. Heller, MPA
> KATAHDIN ENERGY WORKS
> 12 Belmont St.
> Brunswick, ME 04011-3004
> 207.729.6090
> http://mysite.verizon.net/fjheller/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: digestion-bounces at listserv.repp.org
> [mailto:digestion-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On
> Behalf Of Dr. Ann C. Wilkie
> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 4:04 PM
> To: Warren Weisman
> Cc: digestion at listserv.repp.org
> Subject: Re: [Digestion] PE-CNG A better name!
>
> All,
>
> How about RNG-renewable natural gas?
>
> _____________________
> Warren Weisman wrote:
>
> > I think it was Alejandro who offered CBG and CNG.
> This
> > makes since unless CBG already stands for
> something
> > I'm not aware of?
> >
> > Warren Weisman
> > USA
> >
> >
> > --- Ken Calvert <renertech at xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>What about 'Bio-CNG'??
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Jim and Amy Rankin" <ajrankin at westal.net>
> >>To: "Warren Weisman" <weiswar at yahoo.com>;
> >><digestion at listserv.repp.org>
> >>Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 12:26 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [Digestion] PE-CNG and CNG
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Warren,
> >>>I would say if you feel "biogas" isn't
> >>
> >>descriptive, what about "Bio-CNG". I
> >>
> >>>think it would be more immediately recognisable
> >>
> >>than the "PE".
> >>
> >>>Jim
> >>>
> >>>James R Rankin, DVM
> >>>Cedarcrest Farms, Inc
> >>>Faunsdale, AL USA
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>I'm writing a grant for our biogas bus project
> >>
> >>and
> >>
> >>>>wanted to get the group's opinion on my use of
> >>
> >>the
> >>
> >>>>term PE-CNG for Present Era Compressed Natural
> >>
> >>Gas to
> >>
> >>>>distinguish compressed biogas from the already
> >>>>accepted term Compressed Natural Gas (CNG), or
> >>
> >>field
> >>
> >>>>gas, a fossil fuel. Let me know if this
> >>
> >>eliminates or
> >>
> >>>>adds to confusion.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>Digestion mailing list
> >>>Digestion at listserv.repp.org
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/digestion_listserv.repp.org
> >
> >>>Beginner's Guide to Biogas
> >>>http://www.adelaide.edu.au/biogas/
> >>>http://info.bioenergylists.org
> >>>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>Digestion mailing list
> >>Digestion at listserv.repp.org
> >>
> >
> >
>
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> >
> >>Beginner's Guide to Biogas
> >>http://www.adelaide.edu.au/biogas/
> >>http://info.bioenergylists.org
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> (352)392-8699
> Soil and Water Science Department Fax:
> (352)392-7008
> University of Florida-IFAS
> P.O. Box 110960 E-mail:
> acwilkie at ufl.edu
> Gainesville, FL 32611-0960
>
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> Laboratory (Bldg. 246).
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