[Gasification] Prime movers -- The Slow Go diesel concept

Wed Aug 2 23:12:55 CDT 2006

Hi Art;

One of the improvements made in these new models listers was the fitting of
giant tapered roller bearings on both ends of the crank mains -- replacing
the bushings.

They also were then able to eliminate the oil pump -- imagine -- eh??

They replaced that with a splash system.

Also -- we still have to manually oil the rockers -- once a day -- 

I have a 100 or so hours on mine so far -- and no knocking yet. I have four
spare sets of bearing -- cost $3.25 a set!!

Takes all of 15 minutes to change then.

I bet I have spent almost as much time rebuilding diesels as driving them!!
Though not diesels I have blown up!!

I'm running this engine to "destruction" -- I have even an extra piston and
sleeve kit at hand -- just in case.

Spare valves -- spare injectors -- spare everything!!

and these models are hard chromed cylinder sleeves to!!

Hey -- 2 HP!! 

Bore is 4.5 inches

Stroke is 5.5 inches

Don't have the measurements of the crank -- but it is huge --

2 HP "force"

This is a precombustion chamber design -- compression of 16 to one -- do
not confuse this engine with much higher RPM (designed) modern diesels that
are direct injection -- 22 to one or more compression!!

The design of the precombustion system assures that you do not get a hard
knocking push against the piston crown -- the entire concept is more like a
steam engine -- only the 16 to one compressed charge is ignited in a
separate combustion chamber -- and through a small orifice -- the gasses
are transferred to pushing against the piston!!

Something's are just built real "tough" --- 

This is the engine -- in my opinion -- that can operate efficiently and
reliably at very low RPM -- 

Ergo -- as those old Crosleys did.

Big Warts also run in the 400 RPM range ---

Art -- this engine is designed for low RPM operation!!

I would not try doing this with any truck diesel -- ever!!

But hey -- your comparing apples to oranges here -- eh??

Look -- how long -- on this very list -- have we discussed the problems of
slow ignition/power expansion of producer gas charges -- the need to have
slo go engines -- right??

but no -- everyone wants to go high speed -- and what is the result -- 

Over and over and over -- they fail in the end!!

Hell -- I'm beginning to feel like the Wright Brothers with everyone
telling them:

Nothing heavier than air can ever fly!!

Then I point at the old Crosley --

what is it with this modern ideology that has the ability to totally ignore
prior art and continue bashing collective heads on systems proven to fail!!

Look folks -- the best prime mover for producer gas is a slow go engine!!

And slowly -- on my limited resource -- and limited funding -- I will prove
that what the Crosley did is "correct"

The rest of you continue to blow other people's fortunes on high speed
engines doing it better.

Meanwhile -- the real energy crunch keeps getting realer.

Hey -- I got a bird in my hand -- I like it better than all your fancy
birds -- still in that proverbial bush!!

And guys -- other things to consider in slo going -- valve timing --
injection timing -- but these old Lister designs are already "there" -- 500
RPM -- right??

so i drop it to 375 -- but I also end up operating at half the power!! And
only dropped 75% of the rpm.

Hey -- I am not nervous I'll be blowing that Lister to parts!!

in the end guys -- 1500 watts -- peak (for surge starting my freezer as
example -- which this setup does easily) and maxing out at 800 watts
continuous -- is going to be some major bird in the hand.

As it takes so little fuel -- no matter what -- to do that 800 watts!

And believe -- 800 watts is all the electic power any house needs to still
have a civilized -- compared to a stone age -- existence!!

Now -- if your all intent in ignoring the realities -- keep dreamin of 15
kw minimum systems as the very least you "need" -- etc -- etc -- 

Well then -- your part of the die off crowd ---

My Lister will be going bang-bang anyway.

And I'll tell you something else -- 

I am only playing with producer gass etc -- 

I already know these engines work real fine on used car engine oil. And 3
years back built a 500 gallon cistern -- 2 foot thick cement and stone
walls -- totally hurricane resistant -- this cement roof -- and managed to
get 3500 gallons into it -- before the Mennonites here figured out that
same route -- and jumped that prices up to over $2.00 a gallon -- where I
was paying but 25 cents.

Folks -- bird in the "HAND"!!

I have a 30 years supply of fuel put up at 12.5 cents US per gallon!!!!! It
runs in the Lister at 10 to 20% more power than the best diesel fuel will
give -- more energy -- richer in btu's.

And I have four of those Lister engines -- plus parts!!

And all for less than the cost of one Onan -- high teck -- 15 kw -- 3 phase
-- state of the art -- all electronic -- diesel power plant -- four
cylinder -- turbo charged!!

Saw one being over hauled two days ago -- they are up to $3000 in parts --
and looking for a new turbo -- the system is not even one year old yet!!

Rich american living in the back woods -- can't stand the heat here --
"needs" central air condtioning -- no matter what the cost.

Needs his electric clothes drier -- no matter what --

and of course -- he drives around in a big mother of an SUV!!

So ya -- keep telling me about it -- eh??

I'm listening!!

by the way -- I am using that same old oil for lube in my Lister -- aint
that a hoot now!!

By the way -- these Listers shine in the tropics -- not so sure how they
would work where it is cold -- as in even starting them!!

The onan died from over heating!!

Peter

At 05:27 PM 8/2/2006 -0700, you wrote:
>Peter,
>
>We are helping you watch the small stuff because that is what can eventually 
>come back up and smash you in the face in the end.
>
>Remember the adage:
>For the want of a nail, a shoe was lost,
>
>For the want of a shoe, a horse was lost,
>
>For the want of a horse, a rider was lost,
>
>For the want of a rider, a message was lost,
>
>For the want of a message, a battle was lost,
>
>For the want of a winning battle, a war was lost.
>
>The machine may weigh 860 lbs but a very thin sheen of oil allows it to 
>work.
>
>Keep up the good work!
>
>Art Krenzel
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Peter Singfield" <snkm at btl.net>
>To: <gasification at listserv.repp.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 4:44 PM
>Subject: Re: [Gasification] Prime movers -- The Slow Go diesel concept
>
>
>>
>> Well -- as the older hands might remember on this list -- every now and
>> then when we get into Prime movers I like to repost Ken Calvert's old
>> contribution to this subject -- 
>
>
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