[Gasification] Re: Gasification Digest, Vol 22, Issue 28 Corn prices and best use of various biomass.

[Ron Wagner]

Simple economics. Corn prices must go up to support
the development of newer and better fuelstocks such as
switchgrass, algae, etc, etc. I trust that people will
come up with money to determine the best use of corn,
or any commodity. You could eat hominy from field corn
at $20 a bushel and spend a small fraction of what you
now spend on calories. Probably be healthier too.

We need to a switchgrass market to develop millions of
acres of unused wasteland, and achieve energy
independence. Of course add all the other forms of
renewable energy to the pot. All of this will
stimulate the economy greatly, also the trade deficit.

The Big Oil people here and in the Middle East are
aware of this. They will lower the price of oil
dramatically at the most opportune times. This will be
in an effort to derail all our good intentions, and
keep us dependent on their oil. We need a new vision,
or will slowly boil like the frog who doesn't  jump
out of the pot.

All the best,

Ron Wagner
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> Forecast,	Corn
>       & Ethanol... (Oscar Jimenez)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:34:31 -0600 (CST)
> From: Peter Singfield <snkm at btl.net>
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] We use to dream of
> making one of these
> To: AJH <list at sylva.icuklive.co.uk>
> Cc: gasification at listserv.repp.org
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> I was searching out electronic governors for small
> diesel engines -- they
> make a fine line of those as well.
> 
> But have had absolutely no luck in finding a
> retailer for any of their
> products -- or prices -- never mind availability.
> 
> Help?????
> 
> Peter / Belize
> 
> At 02:54 PM 5/19/2006 +0100, AJH wrote:
> >On Thu, 18 May 2006 23:55:26 -0600 (CST), Peter
> Singfield wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>Now you can take it right off the shelf.
> >>
> >>http://www.woodward.com/pdf/ic/03553.pdf
> >>
> >>Total controller for your gasifier.
> >How much does it cost Peter?
> >
> >AJH
> >
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 13:42:18 -0500
> From: "Oscar Jimenez" <oscar at geprop.cu>
> Subject: RE: [Bioenergy] 	RE: [Gasification] USDA
> Crop Forecast,	Corn
> 	& Ethanol...
> To: "'Mark & Elena Gallmeier'"
> <mgallmeir at comcast.net>,	"'Denny
> 	Haldeman'" <dennyh at bellsouth.net>,	"'Roger Samson'"
> 	<rsamson at reap-canada.com>,
> <gasification at listserv.repp.org>
> Cc: bioenergy at listserv.repp.org
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> To Dear Mark and listers.
> 
> Mark wrote:
> 
> >>>>>I think it's going to be very hard for the corn
> ethanol industry to
> go 
> >>>>>bankrupt unless something else causes the price
> of oil to decline
> long >>>>>term. Anyone have some candidate causative
> factors?
> 
> ....your forecast makes sense and everybody would
> agree with you, myself
> included but.........you never know, life itself is
> wholly unpredictible
> and sometimes it comes over with unforeseen
> events... so, one has to be
> prepared to anything...don't you think so...???? 
> 
> Kindest regards.
> 
> Oscar.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org
> [mailto:gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org] En
> nombre de Mark &
> Elena Gallmeier
> Enviado el: Viernes, 19 de Mayo de 2006 09:24 a.m.
> Para: Denny Haldeman; Roger Samson;
> gasification at listserv.repp.org
> CC: bioenergy at listserv.repp.org
> Asunto: Re: [Bioenergy] RE: [Gasification] USDA Crop
> Forecast,Corn &
> Ethanol...
> 
> To Roger, Denny & All,
> 
> >However who will bail out the ethanol plants as
> they go bankrupt
> because of 
> >high corn prices<
> 
> The ethanol plants are indirectly setting the price
> of corn now.  What's
> 
> really driving marginal corn prices is the oil
> market.  They may as well
> 
> move the corn and soybean futures trading from
> Chicago and Kansas City
> to 
> the New York Mercantile Exchange, right next to the
> unleaded gasoline
> and 
> diesel fuel pits.
> 
> I think it's going to be very hard for the corn
> ethanol industry to go 
> bankrupt unless something else causes the price of
> oil to decline long
> term. 
> Anyone have some candidate causative factors?
> 
> The wisdom of this food crop to ethanol policy was
> (emphasis on past
> tense) 
> extremely debatable from many sides.   I think that
> debate is over.  In 
> North America for the foreseeable  future the vast
> majority of food
> prices 
> will be set directly by the price of oil.  This
> applies to anything that
> 
> uses corn and soybeans in the production cycle, or
> uses land that can
> grow 
> corn and soybeans.   And oil is going to set a
> minimum price floor for 
> ANYTHING that can be wet milled or dry milled and
> then distilled into 
> ethanol.  Just one example.  If you are a potato
> farmer, why would you
> ever 
> take less than you can get for turning your spuds
> into ethanol?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Denny Haldeman" <dennyh at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Roger Samson" <rsamson at reap-canada.com>; "'Mark
> & 
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