[Gasification] OT CO2 emissions, resource development

[Peter Singfield]

LINVENT at aol.com wrote:
>Although the CO2 emission rates for developed nations is higher than
non-developed, other measurements for determining state of advancement of a
society can be use of sulfuric acid/person, kwhrs electricity/person etc.,
as a
positive meaning. 
>

Or -- how many calories of food intake per capita --

Tom -- unsustainable means just that -- unsustainable.

The only reason we eat is because of a glut of fossil fuel resources --
which are limited.

We can extend this period of dependency in numerous ways -- of which I
shall suggest but two.

One -- lower per capita consumption drastically by conserving.

Two -- lower consumers -- drastically -- by "die-off"

And Oscar -- for your information -- the second option can be
scientifically labeled as:

"The Nature of Things"

As for your comments Oscar --

A diversified -- totally self sustainable -- system of human existence
pretty well survives anything Nature (or the nature of things) can throw at
it.

This is historically very well proven.

Our new dream -- the present "Utopia" -- based on continuously increasing
population levels -- cheating natural survival "limits" by using cheap
energy -- while further allowing human population levels to greatly
incre4ased -- is not yet a proven means of racial survival.

Though I sense tom is believing there can be a viable solutions -- where we
can continue to greed out on energy and maintain high and higher population
levels -- to continue to feed the capitalist merchant "economy"
(consumerism) -- by we all simply developing new technologies --

Well -- that is betting against the nature of things huge time.

Tom -- ever consider  a smaller number of humans living high tech
conservatively with out dependency on increasing consumption continuously
to keep "economy" going??

But -- you then would have to take the cows out of that barn -- and put
them to productive activity -- and we know that is no longer an option.

Productive activity Tom is not "working" in mass media -- advertising --
sales -- governing -- flipping burgers at the burger stand -- driving
vehicles all about for entertainment etc --

Tom -- you go ahead an bet on those beliefs you profess to know as good odds.

To my way of thinking -- those odds are way to long.

You might pull it off -- if you did like GWB just did -- and got a huge
ranch way in the Jungles -- far from all of this -- in Paraguay!

Cut and run might just work -- but putting all the cows in that big barn
you just built -- probably will not.

Your new wave society has no soul -- so it's members become to confused --
they lose their stamina to survive.

I am going to post and example of that last statement -- probably breaking
all records ever on this list in regards to posting something off topic.

But I feel many here will relate to it -- I sure did!! 

"Koyaanisqatsi" is a Hopi word. It means "life out of balance."

Tom and Oscar -- there is more to the nature of things than just the
weather ---

To succeed -- one needs a real will to at least live -- and to have that --
one needs a real life.

Turning great masses of humans into cows to feed a consumerist economy so a
few out of tune with the nature of things people can prosper is not what I
consider a succesful strategy.

Oscar -- you and your people better remember this --- cause your time of
choice soon comes -- try not to emulate the wrong pattern of existence.

The Nature of things is the ultimate judge -- never forget!!

Mexico did -- and so does China now --- but two current exasmples.

When any society of man sets themselves up to over complicated -- then sure
-- any kind of natural event becomes to deadly.

Hey Tom -- you all got NOLA back together yet??

Tom -- dreams like you propose are one thing -- realites is another -- try
never to confuse one for the other.

You can only foget so many NOLAs -- then reality catches you.

I believe Havana got hit just as hard that year -- and got put back
together in short order -- wonder why such a difference??

Excuse me Tom for ever being the realist -- with opened eyes for as much
true observation as possible -- all the better to be warned -- and all the
better to plan.

And no more time to dream  the "DREAM" ---

Will Miami be the next "NOLA"???

Shame on you folks -- shame -- shame -- shame!!

Peter/Belize



At 09:07 AM 4/9/2007 -0500, Oscar wrote:
>Dear Leland and list members.
>
>...Yes...!!..,even though there are many view points on climate change,
>global warming or whatever we want to call it...I feel really certain that
>the worst enemy human being could face is Mother Nature...!!!. Once it
>starts striking down on us there is no pre-emptive war, no UN summits or
>dialogues, no conversation to agree upon...there is nothing to stop it...but
>humbly stand on any thing coming to us from its powerful actions....for
>instance, stronger hurricane, places having lots of rain while others
>suffering from deep dryness etc. I seriously think that we must be really
>careful about Mother Nature and keep with it a really friendly relationship;
>otherwise nobody knows where a war, against Mother Nature, can take us.
>
>Kindest regards.
>
>Oscar.
>