[Gasification] Energy Crisis? Mass Die Off? Blahaha

Mon Apr 30 19:22:24 CDT 2007

Jonathan

I rarely reply to these ramblings however nuclear is not really a viable answer.  All that needs asking is can we store the waste in your living room (back yard?). This doesn't even begin to address the tremendous energy to build the plant, extract the fuel, refine it, rehabilitate the extraction environment etc.  The final thing I will mention is the clean-up in the case of the inevitable chernoble or a 3 mile island and the devastating human cost from the fallout.  Humans make mistakes so presuming "our" system won't have accidents, leak toxins etc is unrealistic.  Look at the cost of 1 plant and translate that into purchase of solar, either cells or solar thermal, with the effects of scale economies and you get a lot cleaner energy!

Max Kennedy

----- Original Message ----
From: Jonathan Pratt <jonpratt76 at hotmail.com>
To: gasification at listserv.repp.org
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:31:37 PM
Subject: [Gasification] Energy Crisis? Mass Die Off? Blahaha

Peter,

Perhaps you can elighten us as to how exactly you made your transition to 
Belize.  I presume because you worked as an engineer in Canada that you 
built up a nest egg or nest egg+pension/retirement income to acquire your 
land and assets and fund your activities there using your first world earned 
wages and pension to take advantage of the monetary differences between 
First world and third world economies.  Only so many people could do the 
same thing before equilibrium is reached.

Why do so many people ignore the fact that we have a 5000 year global energy 
supply if we were to simply fully utilize nuclear fuel recycling (breeder 
cycle) and ramp up nuclear power generation + nuclear power driven synfuel 
production.  Why not take a serious thought to the possibilities of nuclear 
energy + atmospheric CO2 sequestration to produce what liquid fuels we need 
after vehicle conversion to electric drive is factored in?  Until then of 
course we can get the carbon we need from biomass and coal, and with all the 
surplus power capture the CO2 and recyle it into more liquid fuels & natural 
gas.  Pricey oil will merely accellerate these transitions.

The "Mass die off" you talk about so much will happen to all of us - at the 
end of our lives.

There are more ways to make fertilizer than from methane, and despite 
looming production declines in North America there is plenty of methane left 
elsewhere, then after at there will be plenty of coal left, then after that, 
biomass, then after that who the hell cares as I can just about guarantee 
you there will be creative ways to solve the problem at that point, well 
before that point is reached in fact.

Jonathan Pratt

> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:32:21 -0600 (CST)
> From: Peter Singfield <snkm at btl.net>
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Liquid Fuel the Root of All Evil?
> To: gasification at listserv.repp.org
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>
> Incandescent light bulb for house lighting.
>
> Yes -- we have amazing LED flash lights now -- we trade a lot with slave
> labor China.
>
> I drive a 1992 Chevy station -- four cylinder -- idling along in over 
> drive
> (it is a 5 speed standard tranny) I get 45 mpg or better at 28 mph -- but
> never at night!!
>
> I only use the Chevy when I have some serious hauling to do -- as I have a
> most ingenious  roof rack -- which I custom built -- and can carry much
> more than a normal pick-up truck can -- certainly -- much longer stuff --
> like 16 to 20 ft hardwood posts.
>
> These days though I tend to use the diesel mule more often -- it can haul
> four tons -- but then can only do 10 mph on the flat -- 22 mph empty -- 25
> mpg loaded -- 45 mpg empty.
>
> Not bad for a 12.5 HP slave labor build Chinese 195 single cylinder diesel
> though.
>
> The Truck is a well beefed up 1978 ford 350 -- that did have a 390 V-8 in 
> it.
>
> Look guys -- I have a real fun life here -- seriously!!
>
> I certainly am not jealous of all your supposed wealth up there -- or your
> ability to get stuck in traffic driving your Hum-Vees -- etc.
>
> I regard you all as to brainwashed by your corporate masters into 
> believing
> that only by gross consuming can you enjoy this one special time -- your
> life -- on earth.
>
> I have been there -- and done that -- and believed it was the "best" --  
> but
> after taking the ten years plus to deprogram -- I now realize what an 
> idiot
> way of life that was.
>
> When I am going down the road in the diesel mule -- people pass me slowly
> -- and take a long look at the set up -- and listen to it running -- then
> they laugh -- smile -- and thumbs up!!
>
> All the kids in the village want to ride it when I make deliveries.
>
> People coming the other way often stop -- turn around -- and take a longer
> look while slow passing.
>
> No matter where I go (usually on the dirt bike) -- people ask -- when are
> you coming this way again in the mule??
>
> Tell me -- what do you all do up there for a "life" anyway??
>
> Drugs?? Sex?? Rock and Roll??
>
> That got stale for me a long time ago --
>
> I know -- it is literally impossible to communicate well with a vegetable.
>
> The skies are real clear here tonight -- think I'll go lay out on my back
> on the roof and consider how lucky I am not to be Jealous of Rich America
> while staring at the stars!!
>
> I wake up happy -- spend my day happy -- and go to bed happy -- what more
> does anyone need??
>
> Granted -- since cable TV came here big time the plus years ago most of 
> the
> locals -- "Root Belizeans" -- have but one dream -- getting to the US to
> life the real good life.
>
> But not to worry -- more than enough disillusioned North Americans and
> Europeans are coming in to live permanently to replace them.
>
> Your "bait" is of exceptional quality -- but look well at what you are
> catching with it -- eh??
>
> The thing that makes me most happy is I know there is a future here!! I do
> not have to live in denial to make it through my days!!
>
> Peter/Belize
>
> At 10:06 PM 4/29/2007 -0400, David G. LeVine wrote:
>>At 09:41 PM 4/29/2007, you wrote:
>>>And I doubt you can even still buy an incandescent light bulb
>>>anywhere here in Belize!!
>>
>>Do they still have flashlights?  Are all the flashlights LED
>>powered?  Do they have pre-1997 cars?  Have they all converted to HID
>>headlights?
>>
>>I would guess that I can still buy replacement taillight bulbs for a
>>2003 Jeep Cherokee or Ford Taurus.  Those are incandescent.
>>
>>
>>David G. LeVine
>>Nashua, NH  03060
>>
>> 

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