[Gasification] Biomass Gasification at the "Chin-dia" price

[Greg Manning]

 Greetings All...


 I REALLY have to agree with Tom here.... anyone can build a dirty "old
style" gasifier...

 It's the "task at hand", to develop clean, new generation ones....

Greg Manning



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[mailto:gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org]On Behalf Of Thomas Reed
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 8:08 AM
To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
Subject: Re: [Gasification] Biomass Gasification at the "Chin-dia" price


Dear Peter, Tom and All:

The Community Power Corporation gasifier is more expensive than
Indian/Chinese gasifiers, but it is highly automated and doesn't create
dirty water and other emissions.  So it is the first of a new generation
of gasifiers leading to appropriate gasifiers for the future, not
dirtier ones from the past.

TOM REED      BEF

Peter Singfield wrote:
> At 11:37 AM 6/18/2007 -0700, Tom Miles wrote:
>
>> A low cost, reliable small scale gasifier genset with 6,000 hours on it
is
>> something you seem to be asking for. That's something we don't see very
>> often. So how many hours of operation do you have on your Chinese
gasifier?
>> You've spent a lot of bandwidth on it. Is it up and running?
>>
>> Tom Miles
>>
>>
>
> Tom and all --
>
> It is not what I can do -- it is all about what my clientele is willing to
> invest in to produce power -- off-grid.
>
> Ergo -- hobby VS practical applications.
>
> Try never to lose sight of that.
>
> "Biomass Gasification at the "Chin-dia" price" articles is very "slanted"
> -- for one thing -- there main example was totally "funded" --
>
> I did note that Daniel Chisholm did not "pick-up" on any of the major
> discrepancies there.
>
> Neither did anyone else.
>
> Do you know exactly what message that sends to guys like me Tom??
>
> Who is more like the India/Chinese people in goals than you can ever
believe!!
>
> It says we no longer are doing scientific investigation -- we now have a
> "cult" happening.
>
> Hey - -easy to shut me up -- put me down -- etc -- just post all those
urls
> of gasifier systems that meet those extremely basic - -and tolerant
> (compared to any other power plant in real world use) conditions.
>
> At some point realities must be faced!!
>
> We also need a list where all types of gasification may be allowed to be
> discussed -- breaking it into numerous topics only suffices to confuse the
> issues -- keeping everything in their separate boxes -- making sure no new
> ideas are ever presented.
>
> Does:
>
> http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/digestion_listserv.repp.org
>
> "Allow" discussion of gasification processes??
>
> Come on guys -- just what are doing to ourselves!!!
>
> Well -- I will continue to work in real world and continue to solve real
> problems -- and meet real challenges -- always in the best manner possible
> -- no matter from which box I pull it out from!!
>
> If you insist my gains should be your losses -- well fine -- so be that.
>
> The most interesting "open" place on the net right now in regards to this
> topic is found at:
>
> http://bioconversion.blogspot.com/
>
> "Bioconversion" -- no "boxes" -- the entire enchilada!
>
> I remember past times when we list members would get into the real math --
> say in regards to converion efficiencies using steam reforming compared to
> partial combustion.
>
> Get into the chemistry -- etc.
>
> Now -- we procrastinate -- nobody really cares anymore --
>
> Just being in a comfortable box is all that matters --
>
> Steam reforming is gasification -- as much so as partial combustion
process
> is --
>
> Supercritical water gasification the same.
>
> Etc -- etc ---
>
> I'm not saying there should be no discussions on partial combustion
> gasification -- I just wonder when it became a "cult" to exclude all other
> topics of dicsussion??
>
> Peter/Belize
>
>
>
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