[Gasification] Energy Research Habitat

[kenn johnsen]

Arrrrrr....I hit the send to fast, more is coming.

torsdag 8. feb 2007 kl. 12:01 skrev kenn johnsen:

> Mark.
>
> I do not know about the Greenland ice core, I do not know if it is on  
> the net, maybe I should look for it. What I have been looking at, is  
> the Antarctic ice core data. And after looking for hours at the  
> different graphic, I can not at my best will see that the temperature  
> follow the CO2, I am convinced that the CO2 follow the temperature,  
> and that means....? well if you call a swing of 10 degree F a stable  
> temperature, what I understand it does not take much to make a  
> difference, the difference between the little ice age and now was 2  
> degree F between now and the viking time ( warmer ) was close to 10  
> degree F.
> http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionary_Planning/New_Data/
>
> Here is a graphic for the last 600,000,000 years, click warming hoax,  
> nor do I see any here that CO2 have any to do with climate > temperature.
> http://biocab.org/Academic_Curriculum.html
>
> Also how much does those gases mean, compare to water vapour, very  
> little, this one is accused to to accept oil money by the believers,  
> but that does not mean his calculation is wrong.
>
> torsdag 8. feb 2007 kl. 06:17 skrev Mark Ludlow:
>
>> Hi Kenn,
>>
>> Can you tell me what results that you draw from a reading of the  
>> Greenland
>> ice cores? Everything that I have read suggests that the last 10,000  
>> or so
>> years were remarkably stable, climate-wise, (in Europe at least) due  
>> to the
>> routing of the Gulf Stream. These same 10,000 years also parallel the  
>> rise
>> of civilization because, among other things, the stable climate  
>> presumably
>> allowed agriculture to develop.
>>
>> Global Warming is probably a misnomer applied by the popular media to  
>> what
>> is more aptly termed "Global Climate Change". Along with this climate  
>> change
>> goes a number of other effects, all more dire than the fact that  
>> Denmark and
>> Oregon (where I live) may be pleasantly warmer. The inability of the  
>> oceans
>> to recirculate CO2 that is absorbed (the Pacific basin takes  
>> 10-centuries to
>> mix) is already revealing itself as a depression of pH (because of an
>> increased level of carbonic acid). The potential result of this, if
>> permitted to continue, is a reduction of the calcium carbonate  
>> precipitation
>> reaction that is essential for the prospering of not only crustaceans  
>> but
>> also (more importantly) of almost all of the zooplankton that forms  
>> the
>> foundational level of the oceans' food chain.
>>
>> Of course this is just part of the emerging evidence that rising  
>> levels of
>> greenhouse gases are threatening to have a profound effect on the  
>> biosphere.
>> Personally, I tend to be a skeptic, but I am also a scientist and I  
>> did not
>> begin with a preconceived notion. By the same token, those who wish to
>> politicize science, either by outlandish fear-mongering or,  
>> conversely, by a
>> deliberate willingness to ignore a mounting body of research while
>> holding-on to a nonsensical paranoia that there is some vast  
>> conspiracy
>> afoot, do credit neither to themselves nor to the scientific method.  
>> This is
>> not a game of "My data point is better than your data point!".
>>
>> I respectfully encourage you to revisit the ice core data and a read  
>> a few
>> juried scientific journals. If you have some credible evidence to  
>> support
>> your viewpoint I would sincerely like to know the reference.
>>
>> Mark Ludlow
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org
>> [mailto:gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of kenn  
>> johnsen
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:50 AM
>> To: gasification at listserv.repp.org
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Energy Research Habitat
>>
>> I suggest that you with all your scientific training, take a look at  
>> the
>> climate - CO2 history the ice core, before you deny that you are a  
>> scammer a
>> con man - and you are promoting a hoax. And when you are about it,  
>> think -
>> well you have done all about that - what can I say, rethink the means  
>> of
>> gases and water vapour in the atmosphere.
>>
>> Kenn
>> onsdag 7. feb 2007 kl. 19:13 skrev MMBTUPR at aol.com:
>>
>>>                from   Lewis L Smith
>>>
>>> In a previous post, I suggested five simple things that a  person
>>> without scientific training could do to verify the severity of global
>>> warming.
>>>
>>> I suggest that you do just one of them, before you call this
>>> phenomenon " a hoax " again. If you are not convinced, do two. And so
>>> on.
>>>
>>> Sincerely. End of message.
>>>
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