[Gasification] Energy Research Habitat

Thu Feb 8 09:07:05 CST 2007

Yes, it is rude, but I responded to a post, why exactly do you believe  
it is crap.

torsdag 8. feb 2007 kl. 15:13 skrev Harmon Seaver:

>    Why are you sending all this crap about global warming to the
> gasification list? This list is about building and running gasifiers,
> not global warming.
>
>
> kenn johnsen wrote:
>> torsdag 8. feb 2007 kl. 12:01 skrev kenn johnsen:
>>
>>> Mark.
>>>
>>> I do not know about the Greenland ice core, I do not know if it is on
>>> the net, maybe I should look for it. What I have been looking at, is
>>> the Antarctic ice core data. And after looking for hours at the
>>> different graphic, I can not at my best will see that the temperature
>>> follow the CO2, I am convinced that the CO2 follow the temperature,
>>> and that means....? well if you call a swing of 10 degree F a stable
>>> temperature, what I understand it does not take much to make a
>>> difference, the difference between the little ice age and now was 2
>>> degree F between now and the viking time ( warmer ) was close to 10
>>> degree F.
>>> http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionary_Planning/New_Data/
>>>
>>> Here is a graphic for the last 600,000,000 years, and some reading,
>>> click warming hoax, nor do I see any here that CO2 have any to do  
>>> with
>>> climate temperature.
>>> http://biocab.org/Academic_Curriculum.html
>>>
>>> Also how much does those gases mean, compare to water vapour, very
>>> little, this one is accused to accept oil money by the believers, but
>>> that does not mean his calculation is wrong.
>>> http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
>>
>>
>>     Here is a good one, a Ph.D. climatologist, right you can find one,
>> go down click on Global warming - The greatest deception in the  
>> history
>> of science. Also several other links.
>>     http://www.iceagenow.com/
>>
>>     Kenn
>>
>>> torsdag 8. feb 2007 kl. 06:17 skrev Mark Ludlow:
>>>
>>>> Hi Kenn,
>>>>
>>>> Can you tell me what results that you draw from a reading of the
>>>> Greenland
>>>> ice cores? Everything that I have read suggests that the last 10,000
>>>> or so
>>>> years were remarkably stable, climate-wise, (in Europe at least) due
>>>> to the
>>>> routing of the Gulf Stream. These same 10,000 years also parallel  
>>>> the
>>>> rise
>>>> of civilization because, among other things, the stable climate
>>>> presumably
>>>> allowed agriculture to develop.
>>>>
>>>> Global Warming is probably a misnomer applied by the popular media  
>>>> to
>>>> what
>>>> is more aptly termed "Global Climate Change". Along with this  
>>>> climate
>>>> change
>>>> goes a number of other effects, all more dire than the fact that
>>>> Denmark and
>>>> Oregon (where I live) may be pleasantly warmer. The inability of the
>>>> oceans
>>>> to recirculate CO2 that is absorbed (the Pacific basin takes
>>>> 10-centuries to
>>>> mix) is already revealing itself as a depression of pH (because of  
>>>> an
>>>> increased level of carbonic acid). The potential result of this, if
>>>> permitted to continue, is a reduction of the calcium carbonate
>>>> precipitation
>>>> reaction that is essential for the prospering of not only  
>>>> crustaceans
>>>> but
>>>> also (more importantly) of almost all of the zooplankton that forms
>>>> the
>>>> foundational level of the oceans' food chain.
>>>>
>>>> Of course this is just part of the emerging evidence that rising
>>>> levels of
>>>> greenhouse gases are threatening to have a profound effect on the
>>>> biosphere.
>>>> Personally, I tend to be a skeptic, but I am also a scientist and I
>>>> did not
>>>> begin with a preconceived notion. By the same token, those who wish  
>>>> to
>>>> politicize science, either by outlandish fear-mongering or,
>>>> conversely, by a
>>>> deliberate willingness to ignore a mounting body of research while
>>>> holding-on to a nonsensical paranoia that there is some vast
>>>> conspiracy
>>>> afoot, do credit neither to themselves nor to the scientific method.
>>>> This is
>>>> not a game of "My data point is better than your data point!".
>>>>
>>>> I respectfully encourage you to revisit the ice core data and a read
>>>> a few
>>>> juried scientific journals. If you have some credible evidence to
>>>> support
>>>> your viewpoint I would sincerely like to know the reference.
>>>>
>>>> Mark Ludlow
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org
>>>> [mailto:gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of kenn
>>>> johnsen
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:50 AM
>>>> To: gasification at listserv.repp.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Energy Research Habitat
>>>>
>>>> I suggest that you with all your scientific training, take a look at
>>>> the
>>>> climate - CO2 history the ice core, before you deny that you are a
>>>> scammer a
>>>> con man - and you are promoting a hoax. And when you are about it,
>>>> think -
>>>> well you have done all about that - what can I say, rethink the  
>>>> means
>>>> of
>>>> gases and water vapour in the atmosphere.
>>>>
>>>> Kenn
>>>> onsdag 7. feb 2007 kl. 19:13 skrev MMBTUPR at aol.com:
>>>>
>>>>>                from   Lewis L Smith
>>>>>
>>>>> In a previous post, I suggested five simple things that a  person
>>>>> without scientific training could do to verify the severity of  
>>>>> global
>>>>> warming.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suggest that you do just one of them, before you call this
>>>>> phenomenon " a hoax " again. If you are not convinced, do two. And  
>>>>> so
>>>>> on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely. End of message.
>>>>>
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