[Gasification] Energy Research Habitat

Thu Feb 8 10:04:26 CST 2007

Kenn,

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-----Original Message-----
From: gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org
[mailto:gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of kenn johnsen
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:07 AM
To: gasification at listserv.repp.org
Subject: Re: [Gasification] Energy Research Habitat

Yes, it is rude, but I responded to a post, why exactly do you believe it is
crap.

torsdag 8. feb 2007 kl. 15:13 skrev Harmon Seaver:

>    Why are you sending all this crap about global warming to the 
> gasification list? This list is about building and running gasifiers, 
> not global warming.
>
>
> kenn johnsen wrote:
>> torsdag 8. feb 2007 kl. 12:01 skrev kenn johnsen:
>>
>>> Mark.
>>>
>>> I do not know about the Greenland ice core, I do not know if it is 
>>> on the net, maybe I should look for it. What I have been looking at, 
>>> is the Antarctic ice core data. And after looking for hours at the 
>>> different graphic, I can not at my best will see that the 
>>> temperature follow the CO2, I am convinced that the CO2 follow the 
>>> temperature, and that means....? well if you call a swing of 10 
>>> degree F a stable temperature, what I understand it does not take 
>>> much to make a difference, the difference between the little ice age 
>>> and now was 2 degree F between now and the viking time ( warmer ) 
>>> was close to 10 degree F.
>>> http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionary_Planning/New_Data/
>>>
>>> Here is a graphic for the last 600,000,000 years, and some reading, 
>>> click warming hoax, nor do I see any here that CO2 have any to do 
>>> with climate temperature.
>>> http://biocab.org/Academic_Curriculum.html
>>>
>>> Also how much does those gases mean, compare to water vapour, very 
>>> little, this one is accused to accept oil money by the believers, 
>>> but that does not mean his calculation is wrong.
>>> http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
>>
>>
>>     Here is a good one, a Ph.D. climatologist, right you can find 
>> one, go down click on Global warming - The greatest deception in the 
>> history of science. Also several other links.
>>     http://www.iceagenow.com/
>>
>>     Kenn
>>
>>> torsdag 8. feb 2007 kl. 06:17 skrev Mark Ludlow:
>>>
>>>> Hi Kenn,
>>>>
>>>> Can you tell me what results that you draw from a reading of the 
>>>> Greenland ice cores? Everything that I have read suggests that the 
>>>> last 10,000 or so years were remarkably stable, climate-wise, (in 
>>>> Europe at least) due to the routing of the Gulf Stream. These same 
>>>> 10,000 years also parallel the rise of civilization because, among 
>>>> other things, the stable climate presumably allowed agriculture to 
>>>> develop.
>>>>
>>>> Global Warming is probably a misnomer applied by the popular media 
>>>> to what is more aptly termed "Global Climate Change". Along with 
>>>> this climate change goes a number of other effects, all more dire 
>>>> than the fact that Denmark and Oregon (where I live) may be 
>>>> pleasantly warmer. The inability of the oceans to recirculate CO2 
>>>> that is absorbed (the Pacific basin takes 10-centuries to
>>>> mix) is already revealing itself as a depression of pH (because of 
>>>> an increased level of carbonic acid). The potential result of this, 
>>>> if permitted to continue, is a reduction of the calcium carbonate 
>>>> precipitation reaction that is essential for the prospering of not 
>>>> only crustaceans but also (more importantly) of almost all of the 
>>>> zooplankton that forms the foundational level of the oceans' food 
>>>> chain.
>>>>
>>>> Of course this is just part of the emerging evidence that rising 
>>>> levels of greenhouse gases are threatening to have a profound 
>>>> effect on the biosphere.
>>>> Personally, I tend to be a skeptic, but I am also a scientist and I 
>>>> did not begin with a preconceived notion. By the same token, those 
>>>> who wish to politicize science, either by outlandish fear-mongering 
>>>> or, conversely, by a deliberate willingness to ignore a mounting 
>>>> body of research while holding-on to a nonsensical paranoia that 
>>>> there is some vast conspiracy afoot, do credit neither to 
>>>> themselves nor to the scientific method.
>>>> This is
>>>> not a game of "My data point is better than your data point!".
>>>>
>>>> I respectfully encourage you to revisit the ice core data and a 
>>>> read a few juried scientific journals. If you have some credible 
>>>> evidence to support your viewpoint I would sincerely like to know 
>>>> the reference.
>>>>
>>>> Mark Ludlow
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org
>>>> [mailto:gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of kenn 
>>>> johnsen
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:50 AM
>>>> To: gasification at listserv.repp.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Energy Research Habitat
>>>>
>>>> I suggest that you with all your scientific training, take a look 
>>>> at the climate - CO2 history the ice core, before you deny that you 
>>>> are a scammer a con man - and you are promoting a hoax. And when 
>>>> you are about it, think - well you have done all about that - what 
>>>> can I say, rethink the means of gases and water vapour in the 
>>>> atmosphere.
>>>>
>>>> Kenn
>>>> onsdag 7. feb 2007 kl. 19:13 skrev MMBTUPR at aol.com:
>>>>
>>>>>                from   Lewis L Smith
>>>>>
>>>>> In a previous post, I suggested five simple things that a  person 
>>>>> without scientific training could do to verify the severity of 
>>>>> global warming.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suggest that you do just one of them, before you call this 
>>>>> phenomenon " a hoax " again. If you are not convinced, do two. And 
>>>>> so on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely. End of message.
>>>>>
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