[Gasification] Energy Research Habitat

Thu Feb 8 10:50:29 CST 2007

All this stuff about global warming is driving me crazy! Can we move on?

I'm quite sure there are many sites available to discuss all sorts of 
hysteria. and I'm equally  sure none of them would tolerate a bunch of 
chatter about gasification.

Thank you.

bk

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "kenn johnsen" <kennj at webspeed.dk>
To: <gasification at listserv.repp.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Gasification] Energy Research Habitat

Yes, it is rude, but I responded to a post, why exactly do you believe
it is crap.

torsdag 8. feb 2007 kl. 15:13 skrev Harmon Seaver:

>    Why are you sending all this crap about global warming to the
> gasification list? This list is about building and running gasifiers,
> not global warming.
>
>
> kenn johnsen wrote:
>> torsdag 8. feb 2007 kl. 12:01 skrev kenn johnsen:
>>
>>> Mark.
>>>
>>> I do not know about the Greenland ice core, I do not know if it is on
>>> the net, maybe I should look for it. What I have been looking at, is
>>> the Antarctic ice core data. And after looking for hours at the
>>> different graphic, I can not at my best will see that the temperature
>>> follow the CO2, I am convinced that the CO2 follow the temperature,
>>> and that means....? well if you call a swing of 10 degree F a stable
>>> temperature, what I understand it does not take much to make a
>>> difference, the difference between the little ice age and now was 2
>>> degree F between now and the viking time ( warmer ) was close to 10
>>> degree F.
>>> http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionary_Planning/New_Data/
>>>
>>> Here is a graphic for the last 600,000,000 years, and some reading,
>>> click warming hoax, nor do I see any here that CO2 have any to do
>>> with
>>> climate temperature.
>>> http://biocab.org/Academic_Curriculum.html
>>>
>>> Also how much does those gases mean, compare to water vapour, very
>>> little, this one is accused to accept oil money by the believers, but
>>> that does not mean his calculation is wrong.
>>> http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
>>
>>
>>     Here is a good one, a Ph.D. climatologist, right you can find one,
>> go down click on Global warming - The greatest deception in the
>> history
>> of science. Also several other links.
>>     http://www.iceagenow.com/
>>
>>     Kenn
>>
>>> torsdag 8. feb 2007 kl. 06:17 skrev Mark Ludlow:
>>>
>>>> Hi Kenn,
>>>>
>>>> Can you tell me what results that you draw from a reading of the
>>>> Greenland
>>>> ice cores? Everything that I have read suggests that the last 10,000
>>>> or so
>>>> years were remarkably stable, climate-wise, (in Europe at least) due
>>>> to the
>>>> routing of the Gulf Stream. These same 10,000 years also parallel
>>>> the
>>>> rise
>>>> of civilization because, among other things, the stable climate
>>>> presumably
>>>> allowed agriculture to develop.
>>>>
>>>> Global Warming is probably a misnomer applied by the popular media
>>>> to
>>>> what
>>>> is more aptly termed "Global Climate Change". Along with this
>>>> climate
>>>> change
>>>> goes a number of other effects, all more dire than the fact that
>>>> Denmark and
>>>> Oregon (where I live) may be pleasantly warmer. The inability of the
>>>> oceans
>>>> to recirculate CO2 that is absorbed (the Pacific basin takes
>>>> 10-centuries to
>>>> mix) is already revealing itself as a depression of pH (because of
>>>> an
>>>> increased level of carbonic acid). The potential result of this, if
>>>> permitted to continue, is a reduction of the calcium carbonate
>>>> precipitation
>>>> reaction that is essential for the prospering of not only
>>>> crustaceans
>>>> but
>>>> also (more importantly) of almost all of the zooplankton that forms
>>>> the
>>>> foundational level of the oceans' food chain.
>>>>
>>>> Of course this is just part of the emerging evidence that rising
>>>> levels of
>>>> greenhouse gases are threatening to have a profound effect on the
>>>> biosphere.
>>>> Personally, I tend to be a skeptic, but I am also a scientist and I
>>>> did not
>>>> begin with a preconceived notion. By the same token, those who wish
>>>> to
>>>> politicize science, either by outlandish fear-mongering or,
>>>> conversely, by a
>>>> deliberate willingness to ignore a mounting body of research while
>>>> holding-on to a nonsensical paranoia that there is some vast
>>>> conspiracy
>>>> afoot, do credit neither to themselves nor to the scientific method.
>>>> This is
>>>> not a game of "My data point is better than your data point!".
>>>>
>>>> I respectfully encourage you to revisit the ice core data and a read
>>>> a few
>>>> juried scientific journals. If you have some credible evidence to
>>>> support
>>>> your viewpoint I would sincerely like to know the reference.
>>>>
>>>> Mark Ludlow
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org
>>>> [mailto:gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of kenn
>>>> johnsen
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:50 AM
>>>> To: gasification at listserv.repp.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Energy Research Habitat
>>>>
>>>> I suggest that you with all your scientific training, take a look at
>>>> the
>>>> climate - CO2 history the ice core, before you deny that you are a
>>>> scammer a
>>>> con man - and you are promoting a hoax. And when you are about it,
>>>> think -
>>>> well you have done all about that - what can I say, rethink the
>>>> means
>>>> of
>>>> gases and water vapour in the atmosphere.
>>>>
>>>> Kenn
>>>> onsdag 7. feb 2007 kl. 19:13 skrev MMBTUPR at aol.com:
>>>>
>>>>>                from   Lewis L Smith
>>>>>
>>>>> In a previous post, I suggested five simple things that a  person
>>>>> without scientific training could do to verify the severity of
>>>>> global
>>>>> warming.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suggest that you do just one of them, before you call this
>>>>> phenomenon " a hoax " again. If you are not convinced, do two. And
>>>>> so
>>>>> on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely. End of message.
>>>>>
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> Harmon Seaver
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