[Gasification] Hydrogen

[Michael Redler]

Well done.

Thomas Reed wrote:
> Dear Gasification List:
>
> How about instead of "HOAX", we call hydrogen a "GREEN WASHING RED HERRING"?
>
> Green washing has been defined (Scientific American, Nov. 2005 (?)) as 
> promising something 20 years in the future (eg fuel cell cars or "the 
> hydrogen economy" or cellulosics) so that we can continue our wasteful 
> practices today.  A favorite ploy of Bush and GM.
>
> A "Red herring" was drawn across the trail of foxhounds to throw them 
> off the track of the fox (or across gasification for heat, power and 
> fuel to introduce cellulosics). 
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> While PURE hydrogen is a "greenwashing red herring", it is an important 
> ingredient in
>
>     * Producer gas, which was delivered in various forms  from 1800-1940
>       (when displaced by methane)
>     * Synthesis gas (mostly CO and H2), which is used to make methanol,
>       Fischer-Tropsch fuels and ammonia, all necessary for the
>       continuation of civilization as we know it.
>
> Words count.
>
> TOM REED           THE BIOMASS ENERGY FOUNDATION
>
>
> Harmon Seaver wrote:
>   
>>   Somehow, I am still amazed that anyone on this list would be posting
>> articles promoting hydrogen. The hydrogen hoax has been exposed
>> endlessly, ad infinitum. Some really simple tests for the practicality
>> of hydrogen as a fuel are these:
>>
>> 1) How is it produced?
>> 	a) nukes?`
>> 		The nuclear industry is the primary proponent for hydrogen.
>> 	b) solar or wind?	
>> 		In this case you really need to do the math. You can charge and run a
>> battery powered electrical vehicle much further on solar/wind than you
>> can produce H2 by electrolysis and run a fuel cell vehicle. Not to
>> mention that the latter costs $3-4 million dollars.
>>
>> 2) How is it stored?
>> 	Well???? H2 is such a small molecule, it leaks thru most barriers.
>>
>> 3) How is it transported?
>> 	There is no known possible way to transport H2 except in very special
>> trucks which carry very little actual H2. There is no known possible way
>> to supply "gas stations" as we presently know them with H2.
>>
>>    Now, H2 as included in woodgas and burned either immediately or
>> several feet away is another story.
>>
>>
>> Harmon Seaver
>>
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