[Gasification] OT Ethanol or diesel conversions -- was Re: Tuning for Speed

[Mark Ludlow]

Peter,

I wonder about distillation. Best case: aquahol. Unless you want to
azeotrope the water off with toluene or use molecular sieves like the ETOH
industry does. 5% water? If it's a good thing I'll start to add Everclear to
my gas tank, as no one around here believes that gasoline is not forever.

Distillation is not cheap. None of the ethanol plants that I am aware of (I
was in Iowa last week!) uses ethanol as a thermal source for distillation.

What's wrong with this picture?

Mark

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[mailto:gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of Peter Singfield
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [Gasification] OT Ethanol or diesel conversions -- was Re:
Tuning for Speed

At 04:15 PM 5/31/2007 -0500, Harmon Seaver wrote:
>Peter Singfield wrote:
>
>> The point guys -- unless you can vary compression on the fly -- you 
>> can't use the same engine for both fuels and expect maximum 
>> performance on both
>> -- either one -- or the other.
>
>   But that's trivial -- if you have a turbo, or rather, if you have 
>turbo with a computer controlled wastegate, as well as the computer 
>controlled ignition and fuel injection -- as on my son's Audi.
>

True -- but waste gating is wasting energy -- I believe they are working on
"smart" turbos now?? Where instead of dumping compressed are -- they adjust
blower parameters to blow less?

>
>> 
>> Further -- they never had "ethanol" as fuel back then -- it was 
>> always strong alcohol.
>
>   Same thing. Although what I remember from the 50's was that it was 
>always methanol, and nitrated at that.
>

Dragsters only though --- and a big difference -- though energy cost is the
same or better with the aguahol -- you do need bigger fuel tanks to get the
same distance.

>> And the cost of that engine being less than your second hand turbo 
>> unit to after fit on your engine!!
>> 
>> Of course -- they have much used veggie oils in the modern lands. So 
>> run the 195 on old used veggie oil --
>
>   Well, the problem is fitting it into my pickup -- not much room and 
>the bellhousing adapters, et al are ridiculously expensive. I have a 
>very nice almost pristine 2.2L Nissan diesel engine complete with 
>tranny  and I know where I can get the 4wd transfers case that fits it 
>for about $100 but then I'd still have to fabricate the mounts, cut, 
>weld, and have rebalanced the two drives shafts -- and end up with 
>probably less power than I have now. Which would be a real drag when 
>I'm pulling a trailer as I don't have enough power now for that. Toyota 
>made a diesel for these pickups, which are a simple bolt up, but unless 
>you really luck out, they go for at least $1000 plus shipping, usually 
>from Canada.  And probably still would or at least should be rebuilt 
>before dropping it in.
>   And looking for any sort of cheap used factory diesel vehicles is 
>hopeless these days. People caught on to the veggie oil thing real 
>quick. My '82 diesel VW Vanagon westfalia camper went from a value of 
>$2K when I bought it a few years ago, to around $8K now. I was looking 
>at some older VW Jetta diesels that used to go for like $400-500, now 
>are like $3K.
>

The easiest conversion is a Ford Pickup -- 100 -- 150 models -- an old one
still solid - -that has a monster V-8 engine in them.

You should be able to find one of those real cheap -- at Gas Hogs Anonymous
--

I'll then send you complete conversion details -- free --

It is so easy to do!!

You stiip the V-8 down to just a bare main crank and oil pump -- then belt
drive to the 195 single by making up a special front pulley.

 
>> I do believe cattail root should be a good food for fermenting to
aguahol.
>> 
>> You could run aguahol in your pickup by making up some special spark
plugs ---
>> 
>   Actually I can make E85 ethanol just as easy. Why go halfway and 
>need special plugs? Adding a little gasoline does wonders for ignition, 
>starting, and keeping the fedzies off your back. 8-)
>

You can only add gasoline to pure ethanol -- any water or even humidity
present -- and they do not mix.

It is not easy at all to make pure ethanol.

Hey Harmon -- the words to this song go this way:

Use E85 for fuel -- and your totally dependent on the "system"

Use white lightening and you can roll your own.

Granted -- very few people even realize that difference is important -- more
the shame for the future in general to.

Peter/Belize

>
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