[Gasification] [Bioenergy] What do you think of theNoahproject? OT

Fri Jun 15 18:42:34 CDT 2007

 the north and south poles are melting i think ,  let every body be 
different and we all in the same world ....
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Max Kennedy" <vacuum1313 at yahoo.ca>
To: "Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification" 
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Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Gasification] [Bioenergy] What do you think of theNoahproject? 
OT


> You misinterpret, I don't just give approval of europeans,  "conservative" 
> can also be looked on as a form of being narrow minded.  What I am saying 
> is most cultures have a tendency to be more of one thing than the other. 
> This is both a "defect" ie narrow mindedness and a strength ie being 
> visionary (using the american tendency for overstatement as an example for 
> both the positive and the negative).  You seem to have missed the point 
> made that there are exceptions, stereotyping is where one see's the 
> "generalities" only and doesn't recognise there is variation. As for 
> knowing other cultures I am Canadian, born in England, learned french in 
> Quebec before I spoke english, lived in Germany and worked extensively in 
> Asia teaching ESL.  My extensive travels have shown first hand that 
> cultures do tend to be national based as nations evolved around groups of 
> people that have similar values and each culture does have tendencies 
> based on their different value systems. In NA the
> squeaky wheel gets greased, in Japan the nail that sticks up gets hammered 
> down.  Both speak to standing out from the crowd however the reaction 
> noted is at opposite ends of the spectrum.  The message is that either may 
> be appropriate or inappropriate depending on the situation.  Canadians are 
> accepting, this can be taken as both willing to see others viewpoints and 
> also as unwilling to make a stand or be decisive, wishy washy if you 
> prefer (not exactly a glowing recommendation is it?).  Unfortuneately your 
> reaction speaks volumes to our general unwillingness to look at ourselves 
> in the context of how others perceive us.  Extremes of any sort tend to be 
> negative.  And NO, living north of the border, having had many 
> interactions and coming back to the idea that nations form around people 
> having similar value systems regardless of where they came from, I have 
> not got any problem speaking of "typical american culture".  Also typical 
> N European, E European, central european,
> Asian cultures either.  Please note I say it is not something to take 
> offence at but an observation of differences.  The world would be very 
> boring if we were all the same.
>
> Max K
>
> PS.  I am willing to discuss this further off line should you like but 
> will comment no further online as it is not gasification.
>
> MK
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Michael Redler <redlerm at yahoo.com>
> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification 
> <gasification at listserv.repp.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:27:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] [Bioenergy] What do you think of the 
> Noahproject? OT
>
>
> It's not just a generality, it's a stereotype which I'm sure most
> people, irrespective of where they come, would see it as pure garbage
> without any useful value at all. In addition to conveniently putting
> Americans (in this case) into a narrow minded little package, you go
> ahead with your approval of others (i.e. "Europeans").
>
> Categorizing groups of people by national origin is reserved for people
> who really believe that it has a useful purpose and imply that it's both
> logical and reasonable to apply those principles broadly. Those same
> people often share another trait (or defect) like xenophobia, extreme
> nationalism, or bigotry.
>
> A country of 300 million people, who's families immigrated from hundreds
> of countries and you have no problem speaking of "typical American
> culture" - whatever that is.
>
> I'd like to add that I'm a dual citizen (American/Swiss) and have
> traveled to Europe (Germany, Switzerland, Austria) every year since I
> was a child. I know other cultures and would NEVER make the kind of
> generalizations you made.
>
> Mike
>
> "I am a citizen of the world, known to all and to all a stranger."
> -* Erasmus von Rotterdam*
>
>
> Max Kennedy wrote:
>> No, it refers to a geographical region, much like saying North American 
>> or European vs American or German.  Including a country or region in a 
>> description may indeed be appropriate.  In the example of "American blah 
>> blah blah" it is indicative of the hype, if you will, prior to 
>> accomplishment typical of american culture as compared to other cultures. 
>> European for example, where the tendency is to at least have a proven 
>> prototype before coming out with the extravagent claims may be 
>> catagorized as "conservative".  These are generalities and of course 
>> there are exceptions to all such but this does not invalidate the 
>> observation.  It is not something to take offense at but an observation 
>> of what makes us different.
>>
>> Max K
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Mike Weaver <mweaver at misteam.net>
>> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification 
>> <gasification at listserv.repp.org>
>> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 8:50:18 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] [Bioenergy] What do you think of the 
>> Noahproject?
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Asian - isn't that more of an ethnicity than a nationality? ;-)
>>>>
>>
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