[Gasification] Biomass Gasification at the "Chin-dia" price

[David Shackleton]

Peter,

I note that you spend hundreds of words NOT answering Tom's very simple and 
reasonable question (see below).

I am one of the many who are tired of your superiority, your put downs of 
others, your pontificating.  Please put a sock in it for a while.

David Shackleton


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Singfield" <snkm at btl.net>
To: <gasification at listserv.repp.org>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Gasification] Biomass Gasification at the "Chin-dia" price


> At 11:37 AM 6/18/2007 -0700, Tom Miles wrote:
>>
>>A low cost, reliable small scale gasifier genset with 6,000 hours on it is
>>something you seem to be asking for. That's something we don't see very
>>often. So how many hours of operation do you have on your Chinese 
>>gasifier?
>>You've spent a lot of bandwidth on it. Is it up and running?
>>
>>Tom Miles
>>
>
> Tom and all --
>
> It is not what I can do -- it is all about what my clientele is willing to
> invest in to produce power -- off-grid.
>
> Ergo -- hobby VS practical applications.
>
> Try never to lose sight of that.
>
> "Biomass Gasification at the "Chin-dia" price" articles is very "slanted"
> -- for one thing -- there main example was totally "funded" -- 
>
> I did note that Daniel Chisholm did not "pick-up" on any of the major
> discrepancies there.
>
> Neither did anyone else.
>
> Do you know exactly what message that sends to guys like me Tom??
>
> Who is more like the India/Chinese people in goals than you can ever 
> believe!!
>
> It says we no longer are doing scientific investigation -- we now have a
> "cult" happening.
>
> Hey - -easy to shut me up -- put me down -- etc -- just post all those 
> urls
> of gasifier systems that meet those extremely basic - -and tolerant
> (compared to any other power plant in real world use) conditions.
>
> At some point realities must be faced!!
>
> We also need a list where all types of gasification may be allowed to be
> discussed -- breaking it into numerous topics only suffices to confuse the
> issues -- keeping everything in their separate boxes -- making sure no new
> ideas are ever presented.
>
> Does:
>
> http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/digestion_listserv.repp.org
>
> "Allow" discussion of gasification processes??
>
> Come on guys -- just what are doing to ourselves!!!
>
> Well -- I will continue to work in real world and continue to solve real
> problems -- and meet real challenges -- always in the best manner possible
> -- no matter from which box I pull it out from!!
>
> If you insist my gains should be your losses -- well fine -- so be that.
>
> The most interesting "open" place on the net right now in regards to this
> topic is found at:
>
> http://bioconversion.blogspot.com/
>
> "Bioconversion" -- no "boxes" -- the entire enchilada!
>
> I remember past times when we list members would get into the real math --
> say in regards to converion efficiencies using steam reforming compared to
> partial combustion.
>
> Get into the chemistry -- etc.
>
> Now -- we procrastinate -- nobody really cares anymore -- 
>
> Just being in a comfortable box is all that matters --
>
> Steam reforming is gasification -- as much so as partial combustion 
> process
> is -- 
>
> Supercritical water gasification the same.
>
> Etc -- etc ---
>
> I'm not saying there should be no discussions on partial combustion
> gasification -- I just wonder when it became a "cult" to exclude all other
> topics of dicsussion??
>
> Peter/Belize
>
>
>
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