[Gasification] [Bioconversion] Conserve -- Run an Arc reformer now!!

[Peter Singfield]

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Troll and opinions not welcomed -- but hard data based on valid refs
welcomed -- no matter if it proves everything wrong and bad -- nut and
bolts -- only!!

Doug -- if you want to know more about the Chinese gasifiers -- get Kevin
to get his in operation!!

And Doug -- what do you think of those small O2 PSA units??

Would that -- or would that not -- turn a micro sized Chinese stove
gasifier into a syngas producer of good quality -- sufficient for the
syngas/ethanol fermentation route??

Peter/Belize

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How about changing the name of this list to:

Bio-Conversion-Technogeeks

And by the way -- electric arc reforming is very specific to:

"Discussion of biological conversion to fuels and chemicals"

Can anyone cross check my Gonjo math!!

Is this a potential area of interest or is it dead in bed?

AJH makes an opinioned statement -- ergo -- it is to energy intensive --
don;t even think on it.

I present some Gonjo math saying much different --

so -- nuts and bold or more opinions??

Curious mind needs to know where the nut crunchers are hiding??

I have noted of late that everything now is based on opinion -- no one
researches anything --

http://www.power-rec.com/ 

This is what started all of this -- the Noah project -- everyone knee
jerking -- it is a fraud -- it can't be!!

I did some fast research -- hey -- maybe this is worth a "valid" look-see??

Cone on Bio-Conversion-Technogeeks -- where are you all -- eh??

It looks ever so easy to make up a prototype biomass bug zapper!!

As for finding the power to invest into the Arc --

Well -- if you set one of these systems up to produce syngas for the
syngas/ethanol fermentation route -- waste heat alone might be sufficient
to make enough "steam" to produce a fair part of the arc power required??

The balance being made up by burning ethanol in a smaller genset --

And remember -- this can be done using battery packs augmented by multiple
charging sources - -ergo -- steam -- ethanol IC -- windmills -- solar
panels -- partial combustion producer gasifier --

Or -- waste heat to steam augmented by combustion of a small part of the
same biomasses heating that boiler??

Why all this "bother"??

Because from the research I have done to now -- I have never seen a more
efficient way of producing syngas from any biomass -- or hydrocarbon (waste
tires as example) -- period -- and so simple to implement!!

Certainly -- this solves what to do with used car tires in the 3rd world!!

Question -- which I shall prove today with my DC welder -- does a car tire
conduct sufficient electricity to maintain an arc??

OK -- we validate or not the arc reformer -- then move on??

It certainly is of this domain's "interest" to know -- not just mine!!

Harmon -- it would be interesting to arc some starchy foods to!!

Certainly -- spoiled foods -- spoiled oranges -- papaya -- avocado --

I'll also be arcing some cohune nuts!!

And another though -- the warm up this sucker -- how about a little partial
combustion just to bring it up to heat?? Then start the arc up!!

So -- arcing a hot bead of coals -- then once arc is well stabilized --
trickle in a steady stream of more material to be reformed.

As the reformation reaction is so powerfully endothermic -- one can govern
this process just by operating temps.

Carbon arc wants to be 15,000 or higher -- reforming is cooling it down.

So just keep feeding -- trickling in -- biomass to keep temps at -- say --
2200 F in the exhausting gas stream!!

You will then know everything in that gas has been "reformed" -- right??

Look -- it just could be that simple -- 

noah says it can do this with Chicken Poop -- everyone opines that is
impossible -- I look at it with eyes open -- and -- it is not impossible!!

It needs be investigated!!

In the small micro system I envision the battery pack would be of
sufficient capacity to run a 3rd world home for a day or three -- and when
processing is finished -- be fully charged.

The ethanol which could be then produced over the next few days by
fermentation could be used to move one's horseless carriage around -- of
horseless tractor -- 

You getting both power and liquid portable fuel --

There are plenty of excellent alcohol stoves out there to!!

Come on dudes -- break that spell -- eh??

Peter/Belize


At 09:40 AM 6/21/2007 -0500, Harmon Seaver wrote:
>Paul Harris wrote:
>> G'day All,
>> 
>> It looks like a parallel Bio-Conversion-Politics is required! Possibly
>> keep this List as is (for the broad minded/unsure) and make
>> Bio-Conversion-Technical (for the technogeeks) to really differentiate
>> the content (then the agitators can have a fair go too).
>>
>     But we already do have that -- the bioenery list. What's the point
>of having those same conversations here? And, I might point out -- this
>very thread was started here because Dick Glick crossposted it to both
>lists.
>
>
>
>-- 
>Harmon Seaver
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