[Gasification] Nuclear and Biomass Electric Generation

Tue May 1 08:23:02 CDT 2007

I just wonder, are these nuke plants working at a market price, some  
say they are not...some say they are....I think it is the state, there  
have decided that we shall have them. It is not economy but politics.

tirsdag 1. maj 2007 kl. 11:35 skrev Tom Miles:

> 2006 US nuclear net generation capacity 104 plants 97,400 MW. 2006  
> Reported
> net generation 787 billion kWh. Capacity factor 89.9%. 19.4% of total  
> US net
> generation.
> EIA Table 8.1 Monthly Energy Review
> http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/nuclear/page/nuc_reactors/reactsum.html
>
> US 2006 biomass electric generation 28.5 billion kWh (Total renewables  
> 34.9)
> EIA Energy Outlook 2007  Table  16.  Renewable Energy Generating  
> Capacity
> and Generation
> http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/aeo/aeoref_tab.html
>
> Worldwide biomass net electric gasification capacity (including  
> Manitoba) 10
> MW? Capacity factor 30%? Net generation 26 million kWh?
>
> We have some work to do.
>
> Tom Miles
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org
> [mailto:gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of Greg  
> Manning
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:03 PM
> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Gasification Digest, Vol 10, Issue 61
>
>
>  Greetings Jonathan and list:
>
>  Jonathan, can I point out one simple fact ?
>
>  you quote 80% of France, and 20% of the U.S.   The French have a VERY
> different life style than the US, so, to put your statement "into  
> scope" the
> electrical capacity of France that is Nuclear driven is 4Gw, and the
> electrical capacity of the U.S. that is nuclear driven is 4Gw. this is  
> a
> much more realistic statement of nuclear power that runs electricity
> generation....
>
>  I live in the Canadian Province that supplies the largest single  
> source of
> electrical power in North America, and we are only in the 6 or 7 Gw
> range.... (and of this 5-6 Gw is exported out of our province.....  
> most of
> that to the U.S.).
>
>
>
> Greg Manning,
> Manitoba, Canada
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org
> [mailto:gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org]On Behalf Of Jonathan F.
> Pratt
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:51 PM
> To: gasification at listserv.repp.org
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Gasification Digest, Vol 10, Issue 61
>
>
> Max,
>
> The issues of nuclear 'waste' are overblown, and with the exception of
> Chernobyl operated improperly by a reactor without the same containment
> features of US and other current reactors have an excellent safety  
> record.
> Furthermore this so called 'nuclear waste' can be reprocessed into 20  
> times
> more fuel after removing the 5% spent fissible components.  Granted,  
> current
> plants were very expensive to build but once operational I believe are  
> very
> economic for the amount of ongoing fuel costs required to run.  Next
> generation pebble bed reactors (even safer) are coming into operation  
> in the
> next couple of years and can be scaled down economically to something  
> like
> as low as 10 MW.
>
> How can nuclear seriously be looked at as uneconomic when it provides  
> 80% of
> electrical production in France and 20% in the US?  Has France  
> bankrupted
> itself to build and operate its power plants?  Hardly.  Then factor in  
> the
> 20x factor for recycling and elimination of the 'waste' issues and one
> cannot ignore nuclear as a viable and needed alternative as fossils are
> depleted over the next 100 years.  Yes, wind and solar and biomass all  
> have
> their place and contributions to make but nothing beats nuclear for  
> steady
> high output base generation.
>
> If we want to cut our dependence on fossils in any serious way we need  
> to
> make a large scale switch to plug in hybrid vehicles charged with  
> nuclear
> energy.
>
> But this of course is all off-topic to this list, unless we touch on  
> the
> potential to use nuclear generated heat to drive gasification and FT  
> synfuel
> production processes.
>
> I guess we cannot implement reasonable workable solutions to growing  
> global
> energy needs in the current environment that has zero tolerance for  
> risk and
> so dooms us to much greater risk of economic instability and collapse  
> in the
> future due to inaction.
>
> But then again we can always opt for energy scarcity and 'mass  
> die-off'  I
> however opt for innovation and have an inherent belief that we can  
> overcome
> challenges which we are confronted with in energy and other endeavors.
>
> We should be viewing all of our energy options as being "on the table".
>
>
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> I rarely reply to these ramblings however nuclear is not really a  
>> viable
>> answer.  All that needs asking is can we store the waste in your  
>> living
>> room (back yard?). This doesn't even begin to address the tremendous
>> energy to build the plant, extract the fuel, refine it, rehabilitate  
>> the
>> extraction environment etc.  The final thing I will mention is the
>> clean-up in the case of the inevitable chernoble or a 3 mile island  
>> and
>> the devastating human cost from the fallout.  Humans make mistakes so
>> presuming "our" system won't have accidents, leak toxins etc is
>> unrealistic.  Look at the cost of 1 plant and translate that into  
>> purchase
>> of solar, either cells or solar thermal, with the effects of scale
>> economies and you get a lot cleaner energy!
>>
>> Max Kennedy
>>
>>
>
>
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