[Gasification] OT -- Tender meat

Mon May 14 06:59:51 CDT 2007

Harmon,
A long way of topic!!!! 
But anyway, I don't recognise the slaughterhouse you describe. My pigs went
of to a caring and comfortable reception. No fuss, no rush and no ill
treatment. They certainly weren't distressed. Perhaps they do things
differently where you are.
Ken

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[mailto:gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of Harmon Seaver
Sent: 13 May 2007 22:53
To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
Subject: [Gasification] OT -- Tender meat

Peter Singfield wrote:
> Harmon;
> 
> I am a great believer in free ranged cattle meat -- and only eat 
> that!! Have been for 20 plus years -- and it always has been to tough 
> for human chewing!!

   No, no no -- you guys are confusing tenderness with fattiness. I eat
bison all the time -- fed zero grain -- and bison is much leaner than beef
anyway. I don't notice any toughness. There are two things that cause tough
meat -- one is the way it's slaughtered and how it's treated afterwards and
the other is how it's cooked, and, no, I don't cook meat "long and slow" or
in a pressure-cooker.
    First off, most animals killed in the industrial slaughterhouses (and I
used to work in one) are totally terrified by the time they are killed. This
absolutely guarantees tough meat, because they are completely adrenalized.
Try snaring rabbits and eating them once and you will see what I mean.
Animals that die happy and peacefully are much, much more tender.
   Secondly, most meats, other than pork, need to be hung and aged for
awhile -- you don't get that with industrial slaughterhouses. And then with
lean meat, you don't cook it very long or very hot. If you're the type that
doesn't like fairly rare meat, then of course it's going to be tougher.
Well-done is tough and dry. Unless, of course, it is loaded with fat.

> But leave that be for now -- who really cares what mission you want to 
> push.
> 
> Lewis also says this:
> 
> "Moreover, the cooking techniques for lean meat are different from 
> those for fatty meat as from the chef's point of view, meat has three 
> components with different ideal cooking times, and the proportions of 
> these components vary with the type of beef and the cut."
> 
> And I "specified" that in my original message as well!!
> 
> Here they use beef in low heat long cooking "boil-ups" -- which I 
> remember well was exactly how we did things in Quebec Canada -- French 
> Canadian style -- back "when" -- as in before American life style went 
> burger and tender steak crazy!!

   Well, stews are okay once in awhile, but usually when I want meat, I want
steaks, chops, or burgers. I like stews, but mostly for the vegetables. In
fact generally, my soups and stews are meatless. In fact, most days I eat no
meat at all.

> 
> Further -- in this house here I have perfected how to make up the most 
> delicious corned beef in my pressure cooker!!
> 
> I make huge chunks then freeze them as "portions" -- so very tender.
> 
> And last -- I have become addicted to the flavor of lean tough beef -- 
> and can't even stomach tender beef anymore- - my body is revolted at 
> even the thought of eating it!!
> 
> You and dick Cheney -- not very different -- eh??
> 

   I think you are confusing me with someone else.

> Tender beef or nothing!!
> 
> "Changing American life styles is not an option" --
> 
> Give me a break Harmon -- or better yet -- ope4n your mind and give 
> yourself a break!!

   What in the world are you talking about Peter? Did you even read my post?

> 
> I did not say free ranged beef is bad -- I did say no fat assed 
> American would ever eat it!!
> 
> Thanks for proving that point -- eh??

   What point was that? And how did I prove it?

> 
> Harmon -- have you nay idea just how much world's resources are so 
> totally wasted in the american drive for tender beef??
> 
   Peter, what are you babbling about?

> "Wasted" -- because in the end -- it is bad for one's personal health 
> to be eating "tender-beef"
> 
> You want to change for "survival"??
> 

    You apparently didn't really read my post -- I was saying that grain
feeding of livestock is totally absurd. You can do just as well feeding them
totally on pasture -- but "pasture" doesn't mean just grass, it's a mixture
of grass, legumes, and other forbs.

(snip)

> Harmon -- if you ended up even one year here you probably would be 
> changing your mind about so many things you could not even keep track 
> of it!!
> 

   I doubt it. I'm not sure who you've got me confused with, but you really
need to try reading a bit more carefully. Seriously Peter, sometimes I get
the idea that you are spending a bit too much time indulging in the products
of your local distillery while reading and writing email.

> Nothing works like what has traditionally worked --
> 
> Your brave new world's habits -- how long have they been in 
> operation??
> 
> and look closely as to what they are proving out to be -- eh??
> 
> Stop emulating Cheney -- dude!!
> 
> As for tilapia --
> 
> Look -- since the Greens and Green revolution came to Belize and all 
> those agri chemicals hit our pristine but so fragile ecosystem -- we 
> have had snake -- frog -- toad -- bat and numerous other species 
> die-offs like you can't believe!!
> 
> And one of the first to go was all our inland fisheries!!
> 
> So if I pond raise tilapia -- and a hurricane floods out the land -- 
> the talipi8a get lose -- tell me Harmon -- just what is the big deal 
> about -- eh!!
> 
> Open your eyes -- come and see in real time what has happened and what 
> is happening due to but one thing -- one reason.

   Duh, Peter, I think I mentioned that tilapia are not legal to be raised
in most warm areas, at least in the US, or certainly should not be. Don't
blame me for your local problems -- if people don't have enough sense to not
import invasive species. In fact I've been writing my congress critters
trying to get them to totally ban ALL food imports into the US. And I don't
think other countries should allow any food imports from the US either.
Transporting food even across the US is an extremely stupid idea.
   Better lay off the rum Peter, you're beginning to sound more and more
foolish.

-- 
Harmon Seaver

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