[Gasification] Well Harmon, politicization of technology

[Damewood]

I'm glad to know that you know exactly what most of the people in the US
want to do with our national forest.

Polling (the important kind at the national elections)is 180 degrees out
from your supposition.   In any case the people who around the National
Forests are located are NOT going to let the city sheep dictate what happens
there.  

Sam

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Harmon Seaver <hseaver at gmail.com> escribió:     Actually, the blow-down
timber outside of the BWCA was harvested.
The BWCA, however, is a wilderness area where machinery and harvesting
is not permitted, and so the timber is left to rot (or burn) and that
is as it should be. The amount of wilderness areas we have in this
country is so tiny that's it's ridiculous to whine about not being
able to log in them. We need more wilderness, not less. Areas where
Nature can take it's course, undisturbed by humans, is a wonderful
thing -- people don't have any right to screw up every last inch of
the planet.
     And, in fact, logging on a large scale should probably be banned
in the National Forests as a whole. The National Forests are only 8.5%
of the total land mass in the US, about 190,000,000. Their charter is
not to supply fodder for the logging industry, but one of "multiple
use" -- and when you consider that there are now over 300 million
people living in the US, most of whom, if you asked them, would vote
to ban logging and off-road vehicles in the National Forests overall.
If you divide the amount of NF land by the number of people, you see
that there's less than a 1/2 acre for each of us, and most people
would want their share to be wilderness. I used to be a logger, and
ran a sawmill, in the Superior National Forest in Minnesota right near
the BWCA. In fact, years ago, I logged in what is now part of the
BWCA. It was beautiful old-growth white pine, and even back then I
thought it was a shame to cut it. Now I'd like to see all logging in
the National Forest be restricted to select cutting of trees marked by
the foresters and only done with horses.
     There's plenty of private forest to supply our needs for wood,
and cutting trees for energy production, or even for paper is a really
stupid idea. Trees take far to long to grow and produce too little
yield per acre compared to all the other great crops we could grow for
energy and paper. Wood pulp makes lousy paper in the first place, and
needs tons of very polluting chemicals to process it. Kenaf, hemp, and
many other crops make far superior paper, yield many, many more tons
per acre. The same can be said for energy crops. I don't know if
ethanol will every be successfully made from cellulose, but if it is,
surely things like switchgrass will be the crop used, not trees.

On Nov 10, 2007 4:01 AM, Paul Francesco 
 wrote:
> Many here in the u.S. of A will remember the BWCA (Boundary Waters Canoe
> Area) (Minn.) massive wind fall timber blow down, it was estimated that
> it would take a constant bumper to bumper convoy of logging semi
> trailers 3 year to remove the wind blown timber fall from the area.
> Proposals to buy at market prices these downed trees where many.
> Environmentalists kept these fallen trees tied up in litigation and the
> Forest Service bowed gracefully to them and sat on their collective
> hands.  Warnings where put out of the extreme fire hazards that attended
> the dry timber and FEMA set up emergency response centers as far away as
> Duluth "awaiting the almost inevitable" fires that could send heat and
> ash 12 miles up and some 150 miles out causing massive evacuations Etc.
>
>

-- 
Harmon Seaver

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