[Gasification] Gasification Digest, Vol 15, Issue 13
Geoff Thomas
wind at iig.com.au
Fri Sep 14 06:12:38 EDT 2007
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: gfwhell at aol.com
>> To: gasification at listserv.repp.org
>> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:26:38 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] removal from list
>>
>> Toby.
>> My sentiments entirely, I have not seen any new ideas on here, ever since
>> Peter Singfield was kicked off, because he challenged the Ego of someone or
>> other. There is an old proverb about sticks and stones, the pen is mightier
>> than the sword and all that. let debate rage and , as long as the title of
>> the discussion is headed on? each contribution, what does it matter? are we
>> frightened of a virtual punch in the ear when we err? I might not care to
>> read about tar cleansing or peanut husk husbandry. so I wont bother to open
>> it. I am interested in high voltage field effect on smoke, plasma, high
>> pressure effects on gasses in the presence of catalysts and general thermo
>> dynamics etc.the great global warming swindle, as if we make an iota of
>> difference, to the warming of our planet certainly don't' like dictatorships
>> where action is taken without approval from the members of a group. count me
>> in or out as the case may be.
>>
>> GF
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Toby Seiler <seilertechco at yahoo.com>
>> To: gasification at listserv.repp.org
>> Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:05 pm
>> Subject: [Gasification] removal from list
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mr. Bowen,
>>
>> I'm interested in who is part of the list and why they leave it. The
>> controlled nature of exploratory discussion has caused many to leave that
>> could
>> contribute immensely to the discussions. In addition to giving notice
>> that they
>> want to be removed from the list, I would like to see a paragraph why they
>> want
>> removed, instead of stealthly slipping away by your suggested method.
>>
>> Toby Seiler, Seiler Technical Co.
>>
>>
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
>> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification <
>> gasification at listserv.repp.org>
>> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:35:11 -0700 (PDT)
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] removal from list The Reason WHY
>> I agree, Mike.
>> I have been considering to leaving here, but I probably will just turn off
>> individual emails then just not read the list much.
>> Very little of anything that has come into my inbox has been of any value
>> to me.
>> It is way too far advance from where I am.
>> You have given me the urge to go back and start scanning through the early
>> posts.
>>
>> I NEED good info about the best gasifier to build that can be fired with
>> real wood blocks that are mostly Southern Yellow Pine from a local truss
>> company.
>> First I want to build one sized to run a ten hp cast iron Kohler engine on
>> a generator.
>> With what I would learn there I could move on.
>> Maybe a gasifier for my 1939 Pontiac Silverstreak or even my 1975 Jeep
>> Cherokee.
>> I also have a 1965 Willys Jeep CJ5 that would like a re-birth as a
>> gasoline free ride.
>>
>> Alan Bowen
>> Williamsburg, Michigan
>>
>> Michael Redler <redlerm at yahoo.com> wrote: Toby,
>>
>> With all due respect, nearly every discussion group on the Internet has
>> adopted the same opt-out procedure, making it an unwritten rule that the
>> member always has the ability to remove themselves. I would hardly call
>> that a "suggested method".
>>
>> If a member leaves, it would be fine to ask the former member why he/she
>> left so we could all learn from it. However, under no circumstances
>> should it ever be made a condition for leaving.
>>
>> FWIW, I used to be moderately active, making a contribution here and
>> there, when I thought I had something to ask or share with the group.
>> Recent topics like tar cracking and CO2 recycling have turned me into a
>> lurker since I'm not ready for some of the advanced discussions. So, if
>> I were to take a stab at why people are leaving it's because the subject
>> matter has become increasingly advanced and less diverse than I remember
>> from the past (strictly my opinion). I'm sure I'm not the only one
>> struggling to simply get a reliable design for heat or power before
>> going on to peripheral discussions on CO2 recycling (for example).
>> Please don't misunderstand. These topics are important. It's just that
>> some of us may not be ready for it yet. So, I look for other sources
>> which help me with a basic design and the "nuts and bolts" discussions
>> which could help me in my current situation.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Toby Seiler wrote:
>> > Mr. Bowen,
>> >
>> > I'm interested in who is part of the list and why they leave it. The
>> controlled nature of exploratory discussion has caused many to leave that
>> could contribute immensely to the discussions. In addition to giving notice
>> that they want to be removed from the list, I would like to see a paragraph
>> why they want removed, instead of stealthly slipping away by your suggested
>> method.
>> >
>> > Toby Seiler, Seiler Technical Co.
>> >
>> >
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Kevin Chisholm <kchisholm at ca.inter.net>
>> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification <
>> gasification at listserv.repp.org>
>> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:48:16 -0300
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] removal from list The Reason WHY
>> Dear Alan
>>
>> Alan Bowen wrote:
>> > I agree, Mike.
>> > I have been considering to leaving here, but I probably will just turn
>> off individual emails then just not read the list much.
>> > Very little of anything that has come into my inbox has been of any
>> value to me.
>> > It is way too far advance from where I am.
>>
>> Have you posted a note asking for help, guidance or suggestions in your
>> area of interest?
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> > You have given me the urge to go back and start scanning through the
>> early posts.
>> >
>> > I NEED good info about the best gasifier to build that can be fired with
>> real wood blocks that are mostly Southern Yellow Pine from a local truss
>> company.
>> > First I want to build one sized to run a ten hp cast iron Kohler engine
>> on a generator.
>> > With what I would learn there I could move on.
>> > Maybe a gasifier for my 1939 Pontiac Silverstreak or even my 1975 Jeep
>> Cherokee.
>> > I also have a 1965 Willys Jeep CJ5 that would like a re-birth as a
>> gasoline free ride.
>> >
>> > Alan Bowen
>> > Williamsburg, Michigan
>> >
>> > Michael Redler <redlerm at yahoo.com> wrote: Toby,
>> >
>> > With all due respect, nearly every discussion group on the Internet has
>> > adopted the same opt-out procedure, making it an unwritten rule that the
>> > member always has the ability to remove themselves. I would hardly call
>> > that a "suggested method".
>> >
>> > If a member leaves, it would be fine to ask the former member why he/she
>> > left so we could all learn from it. However, under no circumstances
>> > should it ever be made a condition for leaving.
>> >
>> > FWIW, I used to be moderately active, making a contribution here and
>> > there, when I thought I had something to ask or share with the group.
>> > Recent topics like tar cracking and CO2 recycling have turned me into a
>> > lurker since I'm not ready for some of the advanced discussions. So, if
>> > I were to take a stab at why people are leaving it's because the subject
>> > matter has become increasingly advanced and less diverse than I remember
>> > from the past (strictly my opinion). I'm sure I'm not the only one
>> > struggling to simply get a reliable design for heat or power before
>> > going on to peripheral discussions on CO2 recycling (for example).
>> > Please don't misunderstand. These topics are important. It's just that
>> > some of us may not be ready for it yet. So, I look for other sources
>> > which help me with a basic design and the "nuts and bolts" discussions
>> > which could help me in my current situation.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Toby Seiler wrote:
>> >> Mr. Bowen,
>> >>
>> >> I'm interested in who is part of the list and why they leave it. The
>> controlled nature of exploratory discussion has caused many to leave that
>> could contribute immensely to the discussions. In addition to giving notice
>> that they want to be removed from the list, I would like to see a paragraph
>> why they want removed, instead of stealthly slipping away by your suggested
>> method.
>> >>
>> >> Toby Seiler, Seiler Technical Co.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ---------------------------------
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>> >
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>> >
>> > ---------------------------------
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>> > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
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>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "LArry Wilkinson" <princewalesisland at hotmail.com>
>> To: Gasification at listserv.repp.org
>> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:21:37 -0700
>> Subject: [Gasification] Cancellation
>> Please cancel me from your lists. Thanx, Larry Wilkinson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Ian Vincent <vincent at igrin.co.nz>
>> To: gasification at listserv.repp.org
>> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:52:57 +1200
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] tar cracking theory
>> Hi again
>>
>> Thanks for the replies, both for Mssrs Chisholm. Is that a coincidence of
>> family thing?
>>
>> Now I want to know:
>>
>> 1. What limits the temperature, Design or Fuel or both?. Is the 1000C
>> requirement difficult to achieve in practice? Or perhaps more difficult to
>> achieve with some fuels than others?
>>
>> 2. Is the dryness of the fuel significant in achieving these temperatures
>> ie quality control of fuel moisture? (my fuel is wood based)
>>
>> 3. Catalysts: How difficult and expensive is this? Is this where the
>> amateur gets out of their depth, or is this something achievable? What
>> catalysts work? And how do you apply them?
>>
>> I keep hearing this idea that tar can be eliminated with correct gasifier
>> design. Yet tar appears to be the plague of gasifiers. I am trying to get
>> a
>> handle on what makes a gasifier that can crack tar different from one that
>> cant.
>>
>> I know I am asking the right people.
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Ian
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 12:00 10/09/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>> >On Mon, 2007-10-09 at 15:14 +1200, Ian Vincent wrote:
>> > > I am wondering what is the general principle in cracking the tar in a
>> raw
>> > > fuel gasifier, if indeed those are the correct words. Obviously some
>> >
>> >One or more of:
>> >
>> >1 - Temperature (1000C or more)
>> >2 - partial oxidation
>> >3 - catalysis
>> >
>> >--
>> >- Daniel
>> >Fredericton, NB Canada
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Ken Basterfield" <ken at basterfield.com>
>> To: "'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'" <
>> gasification at listserv.repp.org>
>> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:11:34 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] removal from list
>> I hadn't noticed this list being particularly censorious.
>> Has Peter been kicked off or is he is one of his busy, quiet periods?
>> ken
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org
>> [mailto:gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of
>> gfwhell at aol.com
>> Sent: 13 September 2007 01:27
>> To: gasification at listserv.repp.org
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] removal from list
>>
>>
>>
>> Toby.
>> My sentiments entirely, I have not seen any new ideas on here, ever since
>> Peter Singfield was kicked off, because he challenged the Ego of someone
>> or
>> other. There is an old proverb about sticks and stones, the pen is
>> mightier
>> than the sword and all that. let debate rage and , as long as the title of
>> the discussion is headed on? each contribution, what does it matter? are
>> we
>> frightened of a virtual punch in the ear when we err? I might not care to
>> read about tar cleansing or peanut husk husbandry. so I wont bother to
>> open
>> it. I am interested in high voltage field effect on smoke, plasma, high
>> pressure effects on gasses in the presence of catalysts and general thermo
>> dynamics etc.the great global warming swindle, as if we make an iota of
>> difference, to the warming of our planet certainly don't' like
>> dictatorships
>> where action is taken without approval from the members of a group. count
>> me
>> in or out as the case may be.
>>
>> GF
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Toby Seiler <seilertechco at yahoo.com>
>> To: gasification at listserv.repp.org
>> Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:05 pm
>> Subject: [Gasification] removal from list
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mr. Bowen,
>>
>> I'm interested in who is part of the list and why they leave it. The
>> controlled nature of exploratory discussion has caused many to leave that
>> could
>> contribute immensely to the discussions. In addition to giving notice
>> that
>> they
>> want to be removed from the list, I would like to see a paragraph why they
>> want
>> removed, instead of stealthly slipping away by your suggested method.
>>
>> Toby Seiler, Seiler Technical Co.
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>> Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Tom Miles" <tmiles at trmiles.com>
>> To: "'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'" <
>> gasification at listserv.repp.org>
>> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:17:16 +1200
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] removal from list
>> All,
>>
>> Since I am travelling I haven't followed this discussion. It is a curious
>> thread. It makes it sounds like a number of people have left the list. Not
>> so. We have 860 members. There has been a turnover of 40-50 per year for
>> the
>> last 11 years. Membership has usually run about 850-900.
>>
>> You will find a great deal of information in the archives and often you
>> will
>> find answers to questions on the list but the listservs have always been
>> proactive: you have to ask the question to get the answer you're looking
>> for.
>>
>> People have left the list for as many different reasons as they have
>> joined.
>> Some want to be entertained and leave when the discussion slows. Others
>> leave when traffic is high. At the same time people join with equally
>> diverse expectations.
>>
>> We host these lists as a service to the community. As for censorship list
>> members usually keep each other in balance. I'm a tolerant person. In more
>> than 12 years I have only had to remove two people among thousands of
>> subscribers on five lists. They had to be pretty rude to the list
>> administrators, moderators and/or members. And they had to work very hard
>> to
>> lose their right to participate on the lists. Peter was one of them.
>>
>> Tom Miles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org
>> [mailto:gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of Ken
>> Basterfield
>> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 8:12 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] removal from list
>>
>> I hadn't noticed this list being particularly censorious.
>> Has Peter been kicked off or is he is one of his busy, quiet periods?
>> ken
>>
>>
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>> [mailto:gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of
>> gfwhell at aol.com
>> Sent: 13 September 2007 01:27
>> To: gasification at listserv.repp.org
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] removal from list
>>
>>
>>
>> Toby.
>> My sentiments entirely, I have not seen any new ideas on here, ever since
>> Peter Singfield was kicked off, because he challenged the Ego of someone
>> or
>> other. There is an old proverb about sticks and stones, the pen is
>> mightier
>> than the sword and all that. let debate rage and , as long as the title of
>> the discussion is headed on? each contribution, what does it matter? are
>> we
>> frightened of a virtual punch in the ear when we err? I might not care to
>> read about tar cleansing or peanut husk husbandry. so I wont bother to
>> open
>> it. I am interested in high voltage field effect on smoke, plasma, high
>> pressure effects on gasses in the presence of catalysts and general thermo
>> dynamics etc.the great global warming swindle, as if we make an iota of
>> difference, to the warming of our planet certainly don't' like
>> dictatorships
>> where action is taken without approval from the members of a group. count
>> me
>> in or out as the case may be.
>>
>> GF
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Toby Seiler <seilertechco at yahoo.com>
>> To: gasification at listserv.repp.org
>> Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:05 pm
>> Subject: [Gasification] removal from list
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mr. Bowen,
>>
>> I'm interested in who is part of the list and why they leave it. The
>> controlled nature of exploratory discussion has caused many to leave that
>> could
>> contribute immensely to the discussions. In addition to giving notice
>> that
>> they
>> want to be removed from the list, I would like to see a paragraph why they
>> want
>> removed, instead of stealthly slipping away by your suggested method.
>>
>> Toby Seiler, Seiler Technical Co.
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>> Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.
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>>
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>>
>>
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: MMBTUPR at aol.com
>> To: tmiles at trmiles.com, gasification at listserv.repp.org
>> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 07:53:19 EDT
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] removal from list
>> to Tom Miles from Lewis L Smith
>>
>> Thank you Tom, for a good post.
>>
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
>> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification <
>> gasification at listserv.repp.org>
>> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 05:08:00 -0700 (PDT)
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] removal from list The Reason WHY
>> Yes I did and got very little good help.
>> like I said,
>> I will have to go start digging through the old posts and see if there is
>> info so I can learn from the ground up.
>>
>> If someone would just tell me where to start to use the wood I mentioned
>> best that would be great.
>>
>> Alan Bowen
>> Williamsburg, Michigan
>>
>> Kevin Chisholm <kchisholm at ca.inter.net> wrote: Dear Alan
>>
>> Alan Bowen wrote:
>> > I agree, Mike.
>> > I have been considering to leaving here, but I probably will just turn
>> off individual emails then just not read the list much.
>> > Very little of anything that has come into my inbox has been of any
>> value to me.
>> > It is way too far advance from where I am.
>>
>> Have you posted a note asking for help, guidance or suggestions in your
>> area of interest?
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> > You have given me the urge to go back and start scanning through the
>> early posts.
>> >
>> > I NEED good info about the best gasifier to build that can be fired with
>> real wood blocks that are mostly Southern Yellow Pine from a local truss
>> company.
>> > First I want to build one sized to run a ten hp cast iron Kohler engine
>> on a generator.
>> > With what I would learn there I could move on.
>> > Maybe a gasifier for my 1939 Pontiac Silverstreak or even my 1975 Jeep
>> Cherokee.
>> > I also have a 1965 Willys Jeep CJ5 that would like a re-birth as a
>> gasoline free ride.
>> >
>> > Alan Bowen
>> > Williamsburg, Michigan
>> >
>> > Michael Redler wrote: Toby,
>> >
>> > With all due respect, nearly every discussion group on the Internet has
>> > adopted the same opt-out procedure, making it an unwritten rule that the
>> > member always has the ability to remove themselves. I would hardly call
>> > that a "suggested method".
>> >
>> > If a member leaves, it would be fine to ask the former member why he/she
>> > left so we could all learn from it. However, under no circumstances
>> > should it ever be made a condition for leaving.
>> >
>> > FWIW, I used to be moderately active, making a contribution here and
>> > there, when I thought I had something to ask or share with the group.
>> > Recent topics like tar cracking and CO2 recycling have turned me into a
>> > lurker since I'm not ready for some of the advanced discussions. So, if
>> > I were to take a stab at why people are leaving it's because the subject
>> > matter has become increasingly advanced and less diverse than I remember
>> > from the past (strictly my opinion). I'm sure I'm not the only one
>> > struggling to simply get a reliable design for heat or power before
>> > going on to peripheral discussions on CO2 recycling (for example).
>> > Please don't misunderstand. These topics are important. It's just that
>> > some of us may not be ready for it yet. So, I look for other sources
>> > which help me with a basic design and the "nuts and bolts" discussions
>> > which could help me in my current situation.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Toby Seiler wrote:
>> >> Mr. Bowen,
>> >>
>> >> I'm interested in who is part of the list and why they leave it. The
>> controlled nature of exploratory discussion has caused many to leave that
>> could contribute immensely to the discussions. In addition to giving notice
>> that they want to be removed from the list, I would like to see a paragraph
>> why they want removed, instead of stealthly slipping away by your suggested
>> method.
>> >>
>> >> Toby Seiler, Seiler Technical Co.
>> >>
>> >>
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> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:01:53 -0100
> From: "Katahdin Energy Works" <KatahdinEnergyWorks at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Gasification Digest, Vol 15, Issue 12
> To: "'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'"
> <gasification at listserv.repp.org>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org
> [mailto:gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of Ian Gordon
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:49 PM
> To: gasification at listserv.repp.org
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Gasification Digest, Vol 15, Issue 12
>
> I'm interested in using a gasifier for some kind of heat to electricity
> production straight from the boiler. Even if it is inefficient it occurs to
> me that in an energy efficient building you could get a lot from it. From
> what I have read you can get char for soil improvement as well as carbon
> dioxide for algae production but generally the temperature inside should be
> a maximum of 700 degrees. if I could get electricity generation from the
> heat of the furnace to furnace to generator that would be something else.
> I'm more interested in zero emissions and multi-purpose than efficiency
> since I'm looking to get efficiency from the building construction itself.
> Since I think conservation would act as a kind of multiplier for any
> electricity I got. Would a tesla turbine be the way to go?
>
> On 9/14/07, gasification-request at listserv.repp.org <
> gasification-request at listserv.repp.org> wrote:
>>
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>> Today's Topics:
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>> 1. Re: removal from list (gfwhell at aol.com)
>> 2. Re: removal from list The Reason WHY (Alan Bowen)
>> 3. Re: removal from list The Reason WHY (Kevin Chisholm)
>> 4. Cancellation (LArry Wilkinson)
>> 5. Re: tar cracking theory (Ian Vincent)
>> 6. Re: removal from list (Ken Basterfield)
>> 7. Re: removal from list (Tom Miles)
>> 8. Re: removal from list (MMBTUPR at aol.com)
>> 9. Re: removal from list The Reason WHY (Alan Bowen)
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: gfwhell at aol.com
>> To: gasification at listserv.repp.org
>> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:26:38 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] removal from list
>>
>> Toby.
>> My sentiments entirely, I have not seen any new ideas on here, ever since
>> Peter Singfield was kicked off, because he challenged the Ego of someone
> or
>> other. There is an old proverb about sticks and stones, the pen is
> mightier
>> than the sword and all that. let debate rage and , as long as the title of
>> the discussion is headed on? each contribution, what does it matter? are
> we
>> frightened of a virtual punch in the ear when we err? I might not care to
>> read about tar cleansing or peanut husk husbandry. so I wont bother to
> open
>> it. I am interested in high voltage field effect on smoke, plasma, high
>> pressure effects on gasses in the presence of catalysts and general thermo
>> dynamics etc.the great global warming swindle, as if we make an iota of
>> difference, to the warming of our planet certainly don't' like
> dictatorships
>> where action is taken without approval from the members of a group. count
> me
>> in or out as the case may be.
>>
>> GF
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Toby Seiler <seilertechco at yahoo.com>
>> To: gasification at listserv.repp.org
>> Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:05 pm
>> Subject: [Gasification] removal from list
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mr. Bowen,
>>
>> I'm interested in who is part of the list and why they leave it. The
>> controlled nature of exploratory discussion has caused many to leave that
>> could
>> contribute immensely to the discussions. In addition to giving notice
>> that they
>> want to be removed from the list, I would like to see a paragraph why they
>> want
>> removed, instead of stealthly slipping away by your suggested method.
>>
>> Toby Seiler, Seiler Technical Co.
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
>> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification <
>> gasification at listserv.repp.org>
>> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:35:11 -0700 (PDT)
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] removal from list The Reason WHY
>> I agree, Mike.
>> I have been considering to leaving here, but I probably will just turn off
>> individual emails then just not read the list much.
>> Very little of anything that has come into my inbox has been of any value
>> to me.
>> It is way too far advance from where I am.
>> You have given me the urge to go back and start scanning through the early
>> posts.
>>
>> I NEED good info about the best gasifier to build that can be fired with
>> real wood blocks that are mostly Southern Yellow Pine from a local truss
>> company.
>> First I want to build one sized to run a ten hp cast iron Kohler engine on
>> a generator.
>> With what I would learn there I could move on.
>> Maybe a gasifier for my 1939 Pontiac Silverstreak or even my 1975 Jeep
>> Cherokee.
>> I also have a 1965 Willys Jeep CJ5 that would like a re-birth as a
>> gasoline free ride.
>>
>> Alan Bowen
>> Williamsburg, Michigan
>>
>> Michael Redler <redlerm at yahoo.com> wrote: Toby,
>>
>> With all due respect, nearly every discussion group on the Internet has
>> adopted the same opt-out procedure, making it an unwritten rule that the
>> member always has the ability to remove themselves. I would hardly call
>> that a "suggested method".
>>
>> If a member leaves, it would be fine to ask the former member why he/she
>> left so we could all learn from it. However, under no circumstances
>> should it ever be made a condition for leaving.
>>
>> FWIW, I used to be moderately active, making a contribution here and
>> there, when I thought I had something to ask or share with the group.
>> Recent topics like tar cracking and CO2 recycling have turned me into a
>> lurker since I'm not ready for some of the advanced discussions. So, if
>> I were to take a stab at why people are leaving it's because the subject
>> matter has become increasingly advanced and less diverse than I remember
>> from the past (strictly my opinion). I'm sure I'm not the only one
>> struggling to simply get a reliable design for heat or power before
>> going on to peripheral discussions on CO2 recycling (for example).
>> Please don't misunderstand. These topics are important. It's just that
>> some of us may not be ready for it yet. So, I look for other sources
>> which help me with a basic design and the "nuts and bolts" discussions
>> which could help me in my current situation.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Toby Seiler wrote:
>> > Mr. Bowen,
>> >
>> > I'm interested in who is part of the list and why they leave it. The
>> controlled nature of exploratory discussion has caused many to leave that
>> could contribute immensely to the discussions. In addition to giving
> notice
>> that they want to be removed from the list, I would like to see a
> paragraph
>> why they want removed, instead of stealthly slipping away by your
> suggested
>> method.
>> >
>> > Toby Seiler, Seiler Technical Co.
>> >
>> >
>> > ---------------------------------
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>> ---------------------------------
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>> Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
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>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Kevin Chisholm <kchisholm at ca.inter.net>
>> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification <
>> gasification at listserv.repp.org>
>> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:48:16 -0300
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] removal from list The Reason WHY
>> Dear Alan
>>
>> Alan Bowen wrote:
>> > I agree, Mike.
>> > I have been considering to leaving here, but I probably will just turn
>> off individual emails then just not read the list much.
>> > Very little of anything that has come into my inbox has been of any
>> value to me.
>> > It is way too far advance from where I am.
>>
>> Have you posted a note asking for help, guidance or suggestions in your
>> area of interest?
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> > You have given me the urge to go back and start scanning through the
>> early posts.
>> >
>> > I NEED good info about the best gasifier to build that can be fired with
>> real wood blocks that are mostly Southern Yellow Pine from a local truss
>> company.
>> > First I want to build one sized to run a ten hp cast iron Kohler engine
>> on a generator.
>> > With what I would learn there I could move on.
>> > Maybe a gasifier for my 1939 Pontiac Silverstreak or even my 1975 Jeep
>> Cherokee.
>> > I also have a 1965 Willys Jeep CJ5 that would like a re-birth as a
>> gasoline free ride.
>> >
>> > Alan Bowen
>> > Williamsburg, Michigan
>> >
>> > Michael Redler <redlerm at yahoo.com> wrote: Toby,
>> >
>> > With all due respect, nearly every discussion group on the Internet has
>> > adopted the same opt-out procedure, making it an unwritten rule that the
>> > member always has the ability to remove themselves. I would hardly call
>> > that a "suggested method".
>> >
>> > If a member leaves, it would be fine to ask the former member why he/she
>> > left so we could all learn from it. However, under no circumstances
>> > should it ever be made a condition for leaving.
>> >
>> > FWIW, I used to be moderately active, making a contribution here and
>> > there, when I thought I had something to ask or share with the group.
>> > Recent topics like tar cracking and CO2 recycling have turned me into a
>> > lurker since I'm not ready for some of the advanced discussions. So, if
>> > I were to take a stab at why people are leaving it's because the subject
>> > matter has become increasingly advanced and less diverse than I remember
>> > from the past (strictly my opinion). I'm sure I'm not the only one
>> > struggling to simply get a reliable design for heat or power before
>> > going on to peripheral discussions on CO2 recycling (for example).
>> > Please don't misunderstand. These topics are important. It's just that
>> > some of us may not be ready for it yet. So, I look for other sources
>> > which help me with a basic design and the "nuts and bolts" discussions
>> > which could help me in my current situation.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Toby Seiler wrote:
>> >> Mr. Bowen,
>> >>
>> >> I'm interested in who is part of the list and why they leave it. The
>> controlled nature of exploratory discussion has caused many to leave that
>> could contribute immensely to the discussions. In addition to giving
> notice
>> that they want to be removed from the list, I would like to see a
> paragraph
>> why they want removed, instead of stealthly slipping away by your
> suggested
>> method.
>> >>
>> >> Toby Seiler, Seiler Technical Co.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ---------------------------------
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>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "LArry Wilkinson" <princewalesisland at hotmail.com>
>> To: Gasification at listserv.repp.org
>> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:21:37 -0700
>> Subject: [Gasification] Cancellation
>> Please cancel me from your lists. Thanx, Larry Wilkinson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Ian Vincent <vincent at igrin.co.nz>
>> To: gasification at listserv.repp.org
>> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:52:57 +1200
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] tar cracking theory
>> Hi again
>>
>> Thanks for the replies, both for Mssrs Chisholm. Is that a coincidence of
>> family thing?
>>
>> Now I want to know:
>>
>> 1. What limits the temperature, Design or Fuel or both?. Is the 1000C
>> requirement difficult to achieve in practice? Or perhaps more difficult to
>> achieve with some fuels than others?
>>
>> 2. Is the dryness of the fuel significant in achieving these temperatures
>> ie quality control of fuel moisture? (my fuel is wood based)
>>
>> 3. Catalysts: How difficult and expensive is this? Is this where the
>> amateur gets out of their depth, or is this something achievable? What
>> catalysts work? And how do you apply them?
>>
>> I keep hearing this idea that tar can be eliminated with correct gasifier
>> design. Yet tar appears to be the plague of gasifiers. I am trying to get
>> a
>> handle on what makes a gasifier that can crack tar different from one that
>> cant.
>>
>> I know I am asking the right people.
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Ian
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 12:00 10/09/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>> >On Mon, 2007-10-09 at 15:14 +1200, Ian Vincent wrote:
>> > > I am wondering what is the general principle in cracking the tar in a
>> raw
>> > > fuel gasifier, if indeed those are the correct words. Obviously some
>> >
>> >One or more of:
>> >
>> >1 - Temperature (1000C or more)
>> >2 - partial oxidation
>> >3 - catalysis
>> >
>> >--
>> >- Daniel
>> >Fredericton, NB Canada
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Ken Basterfield" <ken at basterfield.com>
>> To: "'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'" <
>> gasification at listserv.repp.org>
>> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:11:34 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] removal from list
>> I hadn't noticed this list being particularly censorious.
>> Has Peter been kicked off or is he is one of his busy, quiet periods?
>> ken
>>
>>
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org
>> [mailto:gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of
>> gfwhell at aol.com
>> Sent: 13 September 2007 01:27
>> To: gasification at listserv.repp.org
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] removal from list
>>
>>
>>
>> Toby.
>> My sentiments entirely, I have not seen any new ideas on here, ever since
>> Peter Singfield was kicked off, because he challenged the Ego of someone
>> or
>> other. There is an old proverb about sticks and stones, the pen is
>> mightier
>> than the sword and all that. let debate rage and , as long as the title of
>> the discussion is headed on? each contribution, what does it matter? are
>> we
>> frightened of a virtual punch in the ear when we err? I might not care to
>> read about tar cleansing or peanut husk husbandry. so I wont bother to
>> open
>> it. I am interested in high voltage field effect on smoke, plasma, high
>> pressure effects on gasses in the presence of catalysts and general thermo
>> dynamics etc.the great global warming swindle, as if we make an iota of
>> difference, to the warming of our planet certainly don't' like
>> dictatorships
>> where action is taken without approval from the members of a group. count
>> me
>> in or out as the case may be.
>>
>> GF
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Toby Seiler <seilertechco at yahoo.com>
>> To: gasification at listserv.repp.org
>> Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:05 pm
>> Subject: [Gasification] removal from list
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mr. Bowen,
>>
>> I'm interested in who is part of the list and why they leave it. The
>> controlled nature of exploratory discussion has caused many to leave that
>> could
>> contribute immensely to the discussions. In addition to giving notice
>> that
>> they
>> want to be removed from the list, I would like to see a paragraph why they
>> want
>> removed, instead of stealthly slipping away by your suggested method.
>>
>> Toby Seiler, Seiler Technical Co.
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>> Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________________________________________
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Tom Miles" <tmiles at trmiles.com>
>> To: "'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'" <
>> gasification at listserv.repp.org>
>> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:17:16 +1200
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] removal from list
>> All,
>>
>> Since I am travelling I haven't followed this discussion. It is a curious
>> thread. It makes it sounds like a number of people have left the list. Not
>> so. We have 860 members. There has been a turnover of 40-50 per year for
>> the
>> last 11 years. Membership has usually run about 850-900.
>>
>> You will find a great deal of information in the archives and often you
>> will
>> find answers to questions on the list but the listservs have always been
>> proactive: you have to ask the question to get the answer you're looking
>> for.
>>
>> People have left the list for as many different reasons as they have
>> joined.
>> Some want to be entertained and leave when the discussion slows. Others
>> leave when traffic is high. At the same time people join with equally
>> diverse expectations.
>>
>> We host these lists as a service to the community. As for censorship list
>> members usually keep each other in balance. I'm a tolerant person. In more
>> than 12 years I have only had to remove two people among thousands of
>> subscribers on five lists. They had to be pretty rude to the list
>> administrators, moderators and/or members. And they had to work very hard
>> to
>> lose their right to participate on the lists. Peter was one of them.
>>
>> Tom Miles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org
>> [mailto:gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of Ken
>> Basterfield
>> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 8:12 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] removal from list
>>
>> I hadn't noticed this list being particularly censorious.
>> Has Peter been kicked off or is he is one of his busy, quiet periods?
>> ken
>>
>>
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org
>> [mailto:gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of
>> gfwhell at aol.com
>> Sent: 13 September 2007 01:27
>> To: gasification at listserv.repp.org
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] removal from list
>>
>>
>>
>> Toby.
>> My sentiments entirely, I have not seen any new ideas on here, ever since
>> Peter Singfield was kicked off, because he challenged the Ego of someone
>> or
>> other. There is an old proverb about sticks and stones, the pen is
>> mightier
>> than the sword and all that. let debate rage and , as long as the title of
>> the discussion is headed on? each contribution, what does it matter? are
>> we
>> frightened of a virtual punch in the ear when we err? I might not care to
>> read about tar cleansing or peanut husk husbandry. so I wont bother to
>> open
>> it. I am interested in high voltage field effect on smoke, plasma, high
>> pressure effects on gasses in the presence of catalysts and general thermo
>> dynamics etc.the great global warming swindle, as if we make an iota of
>> difference, to the warming of our planet certainly don't' like
>> dictatorships
>> where action is taken without approval from the members of a group. count
>> me
>> in or out as the case may be.
>>
>> GF
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Toby Seiler <seilertechco at yahoo.com>
>> To: gasification at listserv.repp.org
>> Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:05 pm
>> Subject: [Gasification] removal from list
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mr. Bowen,
>>
>> I'm interested in who is part of the list and why they leave it. The
>> controlled nature of exploratory discussion has caused many to leave that
>> could
>> contribute immensely to the discussions. In addition to giving notice
>> that
>> they
>> want to be removed from the list, I would like to see a paragraph why they
>> want
>> removed, instead of stealthly slipping away by your suggested method.
>>
>> Toby Seiler, Seiler Technical Co.
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>> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 05:08:00 -0700 (PDT)
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] removal from list The Reason WHY
>> Yes I did and got very little good help.
>> like I said,
>> I will have to go start digging through the old posts and see if there is
>> info so I can learn from the ground up.
>>
>> If someone would just tell me where to start to use the wood I mentioned
>> best that would be great.
>>
>> Alan Bowen
>> Williamsburg, Michigan
>>
>> Kevin Chisholm <kchisholm at ca.inter.net> wrote: Dear Alan
>>
>> Alan Bowen wrote:
>> > I agree, Mike.
>> > I have been considering to leaving here, but I probably will just turn
>> off individual emails then just not read the list much.
>> > Very little of anything that has come into my inbox has been of any
>> value to me.
>> > It is way too far advance from where I am.
>>
>> Have you posted a note asking for help, guidance or suggestions in your
>> area of interest?
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> > You have given me the urge to go back and start scanning through the
>> early posts.
>> >
>> > I NEED good info about the best gasifier to build that can be fired with
>> real wood blocks that are mostly Southern Yellow Pine from a local truss
>> company.
>> > First I want to build one sized to run a ten hp cast iron Kohler engine
>> on a generator.
>> > With what I would learn there I could move on.
>> > Maybe a gasifier for my 1939 Pontiac Silverstreak or even my 1975 Jeep
>> Cherokee.
>> > I also have a 1965 Willys Jeep CJ5 that would like a re-birth as a
>> gasoline free ride.
>> >
>> > Alan Bowen
>> > Williamsburg, Michigan
>> >
>> > Michael Redler wrote: Toby,
>> >
>> > With all due respect, nearly every discussion group on the Internet has
>> > adopted the same opt-out procedure, making it an unwritten rule that the
>> > member always has the ability to remove themselves. I would hardly call
>> > that a "suggested method".
>> >
>> > If a member leaves, it would be fine to ask the former member why he/she
>> > left so we could all learn from it. However, under no circumstances
>> > should it ever be made a condition for leaving.
>> >
>> > FWIW, I used to be moderately active, making a contribution here and
>> > there, when I thought I had something to ask or share with the group.
>> > Recent topics like tar cracking and CO2 recycling have turned me into a
>> > lurker since I'm not ready for some of the advanced discussions. So, if
>> > I were to take a stab at why people are leaving it's because the subject
>> > matter has become increasingly advanced and less diverse than I remember
>> > from the past (strictly my opinion). I'm sure I'm not the only one
>> > struggling to simply get a reliable design for heat or power before
>> > going on to peripheral discussions on CO2 recycling (for example).
>> > Please don't misunderstand. These topics are important. It's just that
>> > some of us may not be ready for it yet. So, I look for other sources
>> > which help me with a basic design and the "nuts and bolts" discussions
>> > which could help me in my current situation.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Toby Seiler wrote:
>> >> Mr. Bowen,
>> >>
>> >> I'm interested in who is part of the list and why they leave it. The
>> controlled nature of exploratory discussion has caused many to leave that
>> could contribute immensely to the discussions. In addition to giving
> notice
>> that they want to be removed from the list, I would like to see a
> paragraph
>> why they want removed, instead of stealthly slipping away by your
> suggested
>> method.
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:59:43 -0700
> From: drewrt <drew at artforging.com>
> Subject: [Gasification] Gasifier design information
> To: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com, gasification at listserv.repp.org
> Message-ID: <46E97A8F.7010803 at artforging.com>
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> The best place to start is probably Doug's simple little gasifier here
>
> http://www.fluidynenz.250x.com/Fluidyne%20Special%20Project.pdf
>
> Some things to keep in mind are that tar output from almost any imbert
> (funnel shaped downdraft system where the air is injected at the change
> in taper of the funnel) style gasifier can be minimal under *_just_ *the
> _*right*_ conditions. The major variables are fuel size/shape
> (affects surface area to volume), fuel type(hard wood, softwood, etc.),
> moisture content, air injection temp and humidity (not in order of
> importance, as there is likely many opinions on what is most
> important). All these factors interrelate in a fairly complex fashion.
>
> So any fuel that is of the appropriate size shape to gravity feed
> and not too wet will likely allow you to produce clean gas at some flow
> velocity, but most likely not the perfect flow velocity for your needs,
> and not necessarily over much of a range of flow velocities (I know this
> will get me flak from a lot of directions). The kiln dried
> construction scrap you are talking about might be an ideal fuel if you
> can size it right, remember it must gravity feed nicely (the most
> successful fuel seems to be small wood cubes, high surface area, high
> angle of repose, low potential for bridging, wood chips can be used but
> tricky to get good feeding).
>
> What you might do is build a little system like Doug describes at the
> link above, then add a system for measuring gas out, or air in then run
> it at a variety of flow rates until you find a flow rate that gives you
> a clean gas output for the fuel (type, shape, size, moisture) you
> have. Then you can look at the engine you want to use, and figure out
> how much gas it's going to need and then build a gasifier based on that
> flow rate (or range of rates) using the ideal SV you found from your
> experiments (read Tom's paper on SV, it will help you gain an
> understanding of system dynamics). One thing you have going for you
> is a source of nice dry wood, most successful imbert style systems
> operate best on dry wood, with a few of those systems using water/steam
> injection to cool the reaction to increase the turndown ratio (turndown
> ratio is ratio between highest clean gas production flow, to lowest
> clean gas production flow, very important in variable load systems like
> cars). Scaling is tricky though, but if Dougs is close to what you need
> you might find that you can make it work by resizing your fuel, drying
> it further, preheating your air in.......
> Something to keep in mind about this forum is that it is
> continuously re inhabited in a wonder way by new members who are hoping
> that there is a simple answer out there to their energy needs. The
> forum has no central briefing document that says "this is how to do it"
> or even "this is what we agree on". In fact the core members of the
> forum are some very knowledgeable people, who like knowledgeable people
> in most places have a variety of opinions. One issue is that new
> members tend to ask questions with such broad scope that to give a
> proper answer would require the writing of one of more books. This
> tends to mean that specific detail oriented questions get answered (or
> opinioned) and broad questions get few replies. Try reading the FAO
> document and the inspirational (though oversimplified) document on wood
> gasification on the journey to forever website. They will help to get
> you up to speed so that you can ask questions that people can answer
> without writing new books. Sorry I can't handily provide the links to
> those but perhaps someone else will be able, or you can search around.
> Perhaps others could recommend their favorite process overviews?
>
> Off Topic, While I do miss Peter's interesting idea's I don't miss
> his vitriolic style of "debate". I have no doubt he is a genius, but
> like so many he scatters his seeds in such a way that few will likely
> sprout. To truly contribute to the huge mass of wisdom and
> information we have accumulated, it is not enough to shout your ideas at
> people. You have to work with people, in teams and in ways that are
> tolerant of people and idea's of all types. It may be too much to hope
> for but I hope that Peter loses some of his anger and is able to
> contribute in the future.
>
> Best
> Drew
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:13:22 +0200
> From: "Ferruccio Pittaluga" <Ferruccio.Pittaluga at unige.it>
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Removal from list
> To: <gasification at listserv.repp.org>
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> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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>
> Dear all,
> sorry for being responsible to have contributed to the controversial "CO2
> recycling" issue, I would like add a piece of additional thought to the
> topic of "opting-out from list". The piece of reasoning is directly derived
> from my own experience of participation to our on-line discussion forum. I
> would say that the value of participating to our "forum" does not reside
> just in reading the sum of all the discussions we regularly receive, but
> also in the (active) potential of rising issues and asking specific, even
> personal, questions in order to get the feedback. In my case, wherever I
> have asked help, in real time I have received several extremely focused
> answers, in my opinion quite difficult to obtain by other means. I would
> suggest those willing to opt-out, to try to "shake our on-line tree" and
> look for the outcome.
> Regards to all.
> Ferruccio Pittaluga
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:25:26 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Toby Seiler <seilertechco at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Gasification] general
> To: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com
> Cc: gasification at listserv.repp.org
> Message-ID: <801235.27729.qm at web38215.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> Alan,
>
> Look in the recent archives from this list and find Doug Williams instructions for the
> downdraft design. That is clearly a good starting point and will produce relatively tar free
> gasses for your engine. It's simple and requires moderate skill to build, operation however
> requires more vigilance. I believe Dougs company sells larger units.
>
> Wood moisture content is probably the most important factor in addition to the fuel size. To
> sum up what could be a lengthy discussion, keep your fuel dry and about the size of your fist
> or slightly smaller. Since your wood was kiln dried, it should be relatively dry unless
> sitting out in the weather for a long time. I suggest a covered storage with good venting.
>
> Perhaps I'm different from about 800 or more of the other list members. This is the only
> technical list that I subscribe to. Sometimes keeping up with the reading is difficult when
> people hit reply and reprint page after page of prior discussion. I'm not complaining however
> and appreciate the work that Tom and others do administering it.
>
> This list has helped very much in my R&D. While I don't miss Peters rants and US bashing, I do
> miss some of his thought provoking discussion and references. And although I don't rank
> amongst those who are running their gasification systems, the research and understanding that I
> am accumulating, will eventually be applied. If one can't understand what is happening inside,
> making improvements or changes are only a shot in the dark.
>
> I know there are many more advanced participants on this list, with 8-900 on it. I hope you
> will help those of us that want to push the fringes and perhaps try new approaches or
> combinations.
>
> Toby Seiler
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:34:52 -0400
> From: Michael Redler <redlerm at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] removal from list
> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
> <gasification at listserv.repp.org>
> Message-ID: <46E99EEC.5030500 at yahoo.com>
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>
> Wow! Where does one start?
>
> Nearly 100% of GF's position is based on and driven by emotion
> (including the part about GW). Two members booted during how many years
> Tom? And that constitutes a "dictatorship"?!
>
> "Censorship"? "No new ideas"? "Challenging egos"?
>
> Whew!
>
> The membership (nearing 1000) is the result of a healthy symbiosis
> between moderator and membership. So, I disagree that the membership has
> no voice. In fact, the existence of a relatively large and active
> membership is a voice in itself - and it's certainly not saying
> "dictatorship".
>
> There isn't much that either the moderator or the membership of this
> group can do to appease people with such senseless frustration and anger.
>
> Mike
>
> gfwhell at aol.com wrote:
>> Toby.
>> My sentiments entirely, I have not seen any new ideas on here, ever since Peter Singfield was
>> kicked off, because he challenged the Ego of someone or other. There is an old proverb about
>> sticks and stones, the pen is mightier than the sword and all that. let debate rage and , as
>> long as the title of the discussion is headed on? each contribution, what does it matter? are
>> we frightened of a virtual punch in the ear when we err? I might not care to read about tar
>> cleansing or peanut husk husbandry. so I wont bother to open it. I am interested in high
>> voltage field effect on smoke, plasma, high pressure effects on gasses in the presence of
>> catalysts and general thermo dynamics etc.the great global warming swindle, as if we make an
>> iota of difference, to the warming of our planet certainly don't' like dictatorships where
>> action is taken without approval from the members of a group. count me in or out as the case
>> may be.
>>
>> GF
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:36:28 -0700
> From: "Mark Ludlow" <mark at ludlow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] removal from list
> To: "'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'"
> <gasification at listserv.repp.org>
> Message-ID: <025c01c7f656$878d4030$0301a8c0 at minimark>
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>
> Dear Tom,
>
> It's a great list and coupled with the archives and inspiration provided by
> those contributors for whom gasification is an obsession or profession,
> there's a lot for everyone, at all levels.
>
> Gasification seems both science and art so some may be disappointed that
> there's not a tidy answer for every general question, but it's a little like
> being immersed in a foreign country whose language you don't speak; after a
> while you start to catch on to what is happening. Given enough time, you
> become fluent.
>
> Best regards,
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org
> [mailto:gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of Tom Miles
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 2:17 AM
> To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] removal from list
>
> All,
>
> Since I am travelling I haven't followed this discussion. It is a curious
> thread. It makes it sounds like a number of people have left the list. Not
> so. We have 860 members. There has been a turnover of 40-50 per year for the
> last 11 years. Membership has usually run about 850-900.
>
> You will find a great deal of information in the archives and often you will
> find answers to questions on the list but the listservs have always been
> proactive: you have to ask the question to get the answer you're looking
> for.
>
> People have left the list for as many different reasons as they have joined.
> Some want to be entertained and leave when the discussion slows. Others
> leave when traffic is high. At the same time people join with equally
> diverse expectations.
>
> We host these lists as a service to the community. As for censorship list
> members usually keep each other in balance. I'm a tolerant person. In more
> than 12 years I have only had to remove two people among thousands of
> subscribers on five lists. They had to be pretty rude to the list
> administrators, moderators and/or members. And they had to work very hard to
> lose their right to participate on the lists. Peter was one of them.
>
> Tom Miles
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:24:14 -0600
> From: "dunno me" <nicklebender at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Gasification] (no subject)
> To: Gasification at listserv.repp.org
> Message-ID: <BAY104-F316188909C146166E41C64D3BC0 at phx.gbl>
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> This will be my second and probably one of very few posts because as much as
> I like to read I realy don't have much to contribute.
>
> Peter was an interesting character, and a fellow who worked in the same
> place I do back here In Canada so I can sort of understand his mind set.
>
> BUT this is a gasification list and a resource.
>
> You want to spark some discussion?
>
> Well here are some questions.
>
> Can we discuss gas clean up?
>
> Gas cooling, I'd like to hear some ideas on counter flow clooling and air
> preheating.
>
> Charcoal, dirty word around to some but its an important fuel, can we
> discuss the math and reasonoing behind how to builkd cahr coal gasifiers?
> The Torsten Kalle gasifier would be an interesting thing to build, can
> anyone explain to calculate how to size this to an engine?
>
> Doug
>
> I want to learn not read debates about why people leave.
> At some point, I'd like to start posting myself when I have something
> productive to contribute
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:06:46 -0500
> From: "Greg Manning" <a31ford at inetlink.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] The Monorator
> To: "Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification"
> <gasification at listserv.repp.org>
> Message-ID: <LHEPKJBHBAKCBPCALHJJOEBPCEAA.a31ford at inetlink.ca>
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>
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> I've done many tests with a "Monorator" upper hopper, (On a downdraft
> gasifier) and yes they do one thing very well.
>
> "They deal with wood that has not been given enough time, to dry out
> correctly".
>
> The big problem with a monorator is the phenol oils in the pre-gasifier
> condensate, they are, I believe, considered a carcinogenic substance, so
> more simply put.... It would be easier to design a gasifier that ran on
> dryer wood, than what you are thinking of...
>
> See my pages on downdraft gasification.
>
> http://www.inetlink.ca/a31ford/cgcmb/
>
> Regards,
>
> Greg Manning,
>
> Brandon, Manitoba, Canada
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org
> [mailto:gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org]On Behalf Of Hararat
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:41 AM
> To: gasification at listserv.repp.org
> Subject: [Gasification] The Monorator
>
>
>
> Has anyone adapted their systems with a Monorator? How is it working? Does
> it really help improve gas energy output?
>
> Harry John Gatley, P.Eng.
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:20:23 -0400
> From: "andy schofield" <scothebuilder at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] spark discussion on dry filters
> To: gasification at listserv.repp.org
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> Howdy Gordon,
>
> It wouldn't take a much bigger engine (woodgas fueled) in a pickup to beat
> me in a race! Also nothing has been optomized yet on my worn-out ol' rattler
> Ford. However, I do have my eye on a one-ton with a 460 in it. He He.
>
> High-voltage precipitator elements may be much eaiser to clean, but my
> budget constrains work to the older types of filters, that use less exotic
> things like straw and sawdust. Gordon, have you seen any product (or
> components) off the shelf? I wouldn't see problems with a stoutly-built
> system, if air gets in and the elements arc. It might be a bit frightening
> to the un-initiated though. Eliminating free-oxygen in the gas you are
> making wo