[Gasification] Patents

Tue Apr 1 13:22:15 CDT 2008

the patent files are an amazingly high value learning resource.  i
encourage all to enjoy and benefit from them.  their contribution to
the shared pool of knowledge i find adequate reason to participate in
the process, irrespective of other value that may or may not exist.

once you understand the basic science and technical challenges of an
area of endeavor, the patent files allow you to follow the history of
solutions to the problem.  often this is more diverse and more
complete than the related surveys of the field.  i have found many
things relating to gasification in the patent files i have never found
elsewhere.

in the patent files you can usually follow a long string of problem to
solution to problem to solution to problem to solution through time.
one very quickly can get a robust understanding of how others have
engaged the challenges and the range of solutions that have been
attempted to meet them.  usually a broad taxonomy of types and
strategies emerge that well orients, and helps the engineer forward
with the problem.

i find the www.google/patents to be the best interface to the
archives.  the entire history of us patents is up and ocr'ed so they
are text string searchable.

more important, each patent has links back to patents cited in the
patent in question.  and links forward to patents which has cited the
current patent. this linking back and linking foward is what uniquely
creates the ability to follow the "problem to solution to problem to
solution" story.

jim

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:15 PM, Greg Manning <a31ford at inetlink.ca> wrote:
>
>
>   OMG !!!
>
>   It must be spring fever or something, I took some grief out on Mike LaRosa
>  this AM, and now this !!!!
>
>   Mike L. if you read, "I'm sorry", Mike R. and Toby... you are now making me
>  laugh...  we all can use this space... "Use the space Luke", Oh great "TM"
>  has given it willingly... (adaptation of Star Wars the movie....)
>
>  Greg Manning
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>
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>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org
>  [mailto:gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org]On Behalf Of Michael Redler
>  Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 7:12 PM
>  To: gasification at listserv.repp.org
>  Subject: Re: [Gasification] Patents
>
>
>  Toby,
>
>  Based on the first sentence of your reply, I would say that your pretty
>  cocksure about yourself. So, who am I to tell you otherwise and say that
>  your position doesn't work well for you? As for me, more options and
>  working within the system has served me well enough not to change my mind.
>
>  My position (the part you snipped) hasn't changed.
>
>  If you think you need to go to Washington to research a patent or, if
>  you feel you can produce "art that does at least as well as what is
>  claimed in the patent" in one or two days, I think we can just (like you
>  said) "agree that we disagree". After reading your response, I feel
>  compelled to exit this thread as quickly as possible. I concede!
>
>  Mike
>
>  Toby Seiler wrote:
>  > Michael,
>  >
>  > A good idea plus $1.50 gets a cup of coffee.  Add about $15,000 and
>  > you may get a patent if it is unique (and/or well massaged by a lawyer).
>  >
>  >  At least by making and selling a product, you stand a chance of
>  > making money from your idea.  Anybody that really believes the patent
>  > will protect them, already has a battery of lawyers or no ability to
>  > make his invention, or wants to use the patent system to market his
>  > idea.  There is always sombody with more money for a legal battle, so
>  > why play the game.
>  >
>  > Do you really think that a good idea can be protected by disclosing
>  > every detail in what will be public documents (if it's issued)?  I'm
>  > not saying the process to get there is not worthwhile, because it is,
>  > but almost nobody comes up with something so unique that a near design
>  > cannot be said to be obvious, existing art.  If I wanted to make
>  > something for sale (that I thought was truly unique), I would go to
>  > Washington and do the research, find many items like what I want to
>  > make and copy the key concepts. This is how the Asians are taking away
>  > huge parts of our technical leadership.  Give me anybody's current
>  > patent, even one that has not ran out, and in one or two days at the
>  > Patent office (after I understand it), I'll give you existing art that
>  > does at least as well as what is claimed in the patent.
>  >
>  > If the "stockpiled" patent exists, just get a copy of it and go for it
>  > (if it's ran out), just make it and sell it.  The real problem is that
>  > most patented devices are not practical or just don't work.
>  >
>  > Concerning my patent experience, I went to the effort of building the
>  > device and proving my theory, thus invested more than thought.  That
>  > was 15 years ago and it's not on the market yet.  I hope to keep it
>  > that way.  I will build it and use it for a competitive advantage
>  > making product better than the competition.
>  >
>  > Keeping ones information proprietary is why this list has limits.  The
>  > persons who have been there and done that, have had hard knocks
>  > getting there and protect their intellectual property.  As novices and
>  > experimenters, we are given enough information to get started, but in
>  > depth research is quick to find discouragement or silence.  If the
>  > list is distributed to as many as claimed, there are a lot of people
>  > who receive, that could contribute, but will not.
>  >
>  > We may just have to agree that we disagree about the patent system.  I
>  > need a beer.
>  >
>  > Toby J. Seiler, STC
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