[Gasification] new studies on GHG footprint of biofuels darkensthe picture

[Benjamin Domingo Bof]

Congratulations Jim.
This our fundamental view point to defend gasification list.
As in golf play ;ball is going to hole.
Regards,Ben

 but often find myself trying to explain this
> distinction early in the process of explaining why gasification and
> biochar is interesting, and why fire, in fact, might ultimately be a
> better route for handling organic wastes than than the "no burn"
> biases of most environmental discussions.



mike martin <mike.martin at thalermachine.com> escribió: Very Well Put Max!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Max Kennedy" 
To: "Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification" 

Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Gasification] new studies on GHG footprint of biofuels 
darkensthe picture


> Very interested in the original papers if anyone finds them or even the 
> journals they were published in.  Agree with Greg favouring the ON PAYROLL 
> and EXTREMELY WILLFULLY STUPID as in stick your head in the sand and the 
> lion about to eat you disappears kind of stupid.  This isn't evidence of a 
> maturing discussion but of maturing denial similar to that of the 
> cigarrette industry not causing cancer.
>
> Max K
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: jim mason 
> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification 
> ; Mechabolic List 
> ; terra pretta group 
> 
> Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2008 8:48:39 PM
> Subject: [Gasification] new studies on GHG footprint of biofuels darkens 
> the picture
>
> a nyt article just came up referencing some new studies published
> today on GHG footprint of common biofuels.
>
> the new studies apparently take more seriously and try to quantify the
> GHG effects that follow from land use changes wrought by the new
> biofuel market.  they conclude that when indirect land use changes are
> taken into account, biofuels have a worse GHG footprint than petroleum
> derived fuels.  granted, all this is working with ethanol and
> biodiesel, so is assuming reproductive plant material inputs from
> purpose grown crops.  we already know those scenarios are not
> attractive in the total cycle.  but the degree to which they are not
> attractive seems to have just been increased.  (caveat for not having
> yet found the raw papers and only summarizing the summary).
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/08/science/earth/08wbiofuels.html
>
> note the note at the end pointing out biofuel scenarios that do not
> require new cropping, and can work on waste organic matter.
>
> besides the purpose grown and waste derived distinctions, we need some
> more elegant terminology to distinguish between reproductive plant
> matter based biofuels, and structural matter based biofuels.
> "cellulosic" doesn't really work all that well.  i don't have a better
> one to offer.  but often find myself trying to explain this
> distinction early in the process of explaining why gasification and
> biochar is interesting, and why fire, in fact, might ultimately be a
> better route for handling organic wastes than than the "no burn"
> biases of most environmental discussions.
>
> j
>
>
>
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