[Gasification] Corrupt government, conspiracy, new world order, no future.

Tue Mar 4 15:25:06 CST 2008

In "THE GREAT GLOBAL WARMING SWINDLE" I never heard that global warming was not happening, The video debunked the main cause, pointing out that the suns behavior had changed and was not only warming up the earth but the planets also. Atmospheric CO2 was blamed because it is increasing, however, it was clearly shown that CO2 always increases in warmer temperatures and lags behind?warming spells, happening after the effect, not before. ?and has nothing to do with the cause. There is nothing like a bunch of money hungry liars manipulating the media and wielding grants to support these scare tactics. There is no money to be made by blaming the sun for this natural cycle which has happened many times before. Research organizations are looking for grants, blaming the sun is not what the fund givers want to hear. Instead of charging around like a bunch of arrogant headless chickens who are convinced?they caused?the problem,?they should except the fact. the world is warming up and make the most of climate change. Who knows, Greenland might go green again.

GF

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From: David Rezachek <rezachekd001 at hawaii.rr.com>
To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification <gasification at listserv.repp.org>
Sent: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 3:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Gasification] Corrupt government, conspiracy, new world order, no future.

Kenn,

Do you want me to look at the ice (I have some in my refrigerator), or 
the data from the ice cores?

These data, and a whole lot more, seem to indicate that CO2 does have 
something to do with temperature.

I guess that if you prefer to look at a single record cool winter (if 
indeed the 2007 - 2008 winter is a record cold winter - is it?) and 
ignore all the record warm winters we have had recently, it  would be 
easy to conclude that global warming is bunk.

Fortunately for us, scientists don't selectively use such a brief record 
or anecdotal evidence to support their case.

David Rezachek

Kenn Johnsen wrote:

>The CO2 got nothing to do with temperature, that is a lie......anyone  
>can convince himself of that, with just look at the ice core. Beside  
>where is the global warming......right now we have record cool winter.
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>Den 04/03/2008 kl. 16.15 skrev Bob Stuart:
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>>On 4-Mar-08, at 8:51 AM, Kevin Chisholm wrote:
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>>>Dear Kenn
>>>
>>>I think you shot yourself in the foot, big time, in a most
>>>unprofessional and amateurish manner.
>>>
>>>"Consensus Science" was employed to conclude that Global Warming was
>>>real, yet you are implying that Global Warming is a scam.
>>>
>>>Then, "...with almost all knowledgeable people...", you are drawing
>>>upon
>>>a "Consensus Science" format to conclude that Peak Oil is a scam  
>>>also.
>>>You can't have it both ways. Is Consensus Science valid or not??? You
>>>are inferring that Consensus Science was wrong in the case of Global
>>>Warming, yet, in the very same breath,  you are inferring that
>>>Consensus
>>>Science is right in the case of Peak Oil.
>>>
>>>(I think that even you will have to admit that the calibre of the
>>>Consensus Science employed  in the IPCC Report is very much more
>>>credible than an unknown body of "...almost all knowledgeable
>>>people..")
>>>
>>>Making definite, strong, somewhat demeaning, hurtful and insulting
>>>statements based on mere inference, and an evaluation protocol that  
>>>is
>>>internally flawed, is not Professional, is not Scientific, and is
>>>neither polite nor gentlemanly.
>>>
>>>What it is, is ignorant, boorish, and incompetent behaviour.
>>>      
>>>
>>I think that people who insist that any uncomfortable predictions are
>>manipulative lies are just revealing their own relationship to
>>truth.  Perhaps we should just offer bets and get paid for our
>>efforts to separate wheat from chaff.  Anyway, I'd like to share
>>another perspective on the problem, featuring easy-to-see evidence.
>>
>>At 92 pages long, this document from Friends of the Earth is not a
>>quick read, but it sure got my attention.  However, a synopsis may be
>>in order:
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>>Last fall, there was so much open water in the Arctic ocean that the
>>predictions about global warming are clearly too optimistic.  We now
>>have proof that .8 degrees C is enough to progressively melt the
>>polar ice, which leaves a relatively warm, solar-absorbing ocean
>>beside the Greenland ice cap, which has also started to melt
>>quickly.  That melting would raise sea levels by many meters, and
>>probably doom the West Antarctic ice sheet, which rests on the sea
>>bottom.  And, even if we stopped all burning tomorrow,  another .6
>>degree of warming is already in the system.   Coastal cities would
>>need massive dikes and, too often, desalinization of their water  
>>supply.
>>
>>Clearly, there is already too much carbon dioxide in the air, and
>>some will have to be removed as soon as possible to avoid runaway
>>effects from melting permafrost releasing carbon and other
>>unrecoverable disasters.  There has been talk of aiming to wind up
>>with the earth 2 degrees warmer, or maybe 3, but both those figures
>>lead to major disasters and extinctions, and could flip to even
>>warmer conditions.  We are already taking chances with the planet far
>>more reckless than those we accept on a public road.  Loosing it is
>>Not An Option.
>>
>>The good news is  that by putting the economy on an emergency basis,
>>as was done for WW II, we still have time to create a modern,
>>sustainable technology while drawing carbon out of the air.  One low-
>>tech method is to produce a stable soil enhancement - terra preta.
>>Business as usual is headed, lemming-like, for a perfect crash.
>>However, determined regulation guided by hard science can easily
>>transform industries without loss of employment or even profit.
>>Waste, however, will have to become prohibitively expensive, before
>>the next generation winds up with most of the bill.  Companies are
>>only a product of the laws that form them, so we must change the
>>rules, and with all haste.
>>
>>http://www.carbonequity.info/climatecodered/index.html
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>>
>>Best,
>>Bob Stuart
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