[Gasification] NOW Temperature Monitors Report Widespread Global Cooling

[Greg and April]

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From: "Michael Redler" <redlerm at yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [Gasification] NOW Temperature Monitors Report Widespread 
Global Cooling


Greg and April wrote:"Now, I have to ask, " How many times ( and how 
frequently ) to we have to see a drop like this to say this is a climate 
change and not a part of normal variation?"

More importantly, how often should we ask ourselves if we've had an impact 
on the global climate? Then the answer is easy. Every day the World consumes 
80,000,000 barrels of oil (or more), we should be asking ourselves if it 
effects global climate.

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If you start with the premise that it does, and then fit the data to show 
that it will, of course the data will prove that it does.

OTOH, if you start looking at all possible causes before you assume an 
answer, the data becomes murky and questionable.

When the earth has a history of climate change, long before man's use of oil 
comes into the picture, you have no choice but to believe that the use of 
fossil fuels is not the only answer.

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It's quite remarkable that you would say the "it goes both ways". Can you 
really look at the chart (http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/) and say 
that it goes both ways? Do you really think that the difference between mean 
and median excuses any data, considering the size of the sample?

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Size of sample?    What a joke.    Considering that the chart only goes back 
to the end of The little Ice Age, and not showing The Little Ice Age or the 
Medieval Warm Period, I call the chart an attempt to skew perception. 
When you consider that currently we are at the approximate temperature that 
occurred during the Medieval Warm Period, yes, I will say that it goes both 
ways, and do so honestly.    I do not believe that the sample shown on the 
chart, is large enough to honestly show what the weather is capable of doing 
on it's own, without adding in the assumed fossil fuel effect.

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It takes a determined imagination to believe that we haven't had an impact.

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And an even more determined use of imagination to believe that the only 
driving force in climate change is the use of fossil fuel.


Greg H.