[Gasification] Aviation's role in global warming...9/11 aftermath proves theories on H20 in contrails in dramatic fashion.

Tue Mar 18 17:00:37 CDT 2008

If you heard it on Nova and the Astronauts saw it, then I would say that
that's all the evidence we need!

-----Original Message-----
From: gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org
[mailto:gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of Katahdin Energy
Works
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:46 PM
To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'
Subject: Re: [Gasification] Aviation's role in global warming...9/11
aftermath proves theories on H20 in contrails in dramatic fashion.

"Station Crew Notes Absence of American Air Traffic in Wake of Terrorist
Attacks 
By Todd Halvorson
Cape Canaveral Bureau Chief
posted: 01:26 pm ET
14 September 2001
CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. The International Space Stations crew spied yet more
evidence Friday of the aftermath of this weeks terrorists attacks on
America: the lack of air traffic over the continental United States.

Three days after suicide airplane hijackers toppled the World Trade Center
in New York and slammed into the Pentagon in Washington, D.C., the station
crew noted an obvious absence of airborne jetliners from their perch 240
miles (384 kilometers) above Earth.

"Ill tell you one thing that's really strange: Normally when we go over the
U.S., the sky is like a spider web of contrails," U.S. astronaut and outpost
commander Frank Culbertson told flight controllers at NASAs Mission Control
Center in Houston.

"And now the sky is just about completely empty. There are no contrails in
the sky," he added. "Its very, very weird." 

"I hadn't thought of that perspective," fellow astronaut Cady Coleman
replied"

....neither did IPCC; but a subsequent research study revealed a 1 degree C.
change in temperature as, once again; normal cooling of the land masses
beneath these corridors took place--- and as every school child knows; that
equals the rise in global warming measured over the past fifty years.

...I rest my case on the relatively insignificant role CO2 plays in
G.Warming.!

Frank J. Heller, MPA
KATAHDIN ENERGY WORKS
12 Belmont St.
Brunswick, ME 04011-3004
207.729.6090
http://mysite.verizon.net/fjheller/

-----Original Message-----
From: gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org
[mailto:gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of Greg and April
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 6:56 PM
To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
Subject: Re: [Gasification] NOW Temperature Monitors Report Widespread
Global Cooling

There was a NOVA program that covered part of it, basically all the 
contrails build up during the day, holding in the heat at night.

During the 9/11 timeframe when no commercial jets were flying, there was a 
3-5* F drop in the nightly low temperature, when compared to the days before

the 9/11 No Fly restriction and the days after.

I wonder if anyone has done a direct comparison - the average daily 
temperature vs. the average number of flights during the day.

Greg H.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Chisholm" <kchisholm at ca.inter.net>
To: <fjheller at verizon.net>; "Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and 
gasification" <gasification at listserv.repp.org>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 14:19
Subject: Re: [Gasification] NOW Temperature Monitors Report Widespread 
Global Cooling

> Dear Frank
>
> Wow!! What a neat trick! Carefully placing the Sampling Stations to get
> the answers they wanted! (Or didn't want!)
>
> I haven't read through the IPCC report in its entirity. Would you know
> if the issue of jet plane flight was considered in the assessment? If
> so, what weight was it given?
>
> I recall seeing someplace that on the few days after 9/11, when all jet
> flight was banned, that there was an immediate and significant change in
> temperature over the US. I don't recall if the effect was a DROP in
> temperature, because of Albedo Effect, or a RISE in temperature, because
> of CO2 and a "warming cloud cover effect." Have you seen reference to
> this observation? If so was tehre a warming or cooling effect?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Kevin
>
> Katahdin Energy Works wrote:
>> I got started in all of this a long time ago in the early 70's when I was

>> an
>> environmental policy analyst at the National League of Cities/U.S.
>> conference of Mayors working on our response to changes in Sen. Muskie's
>> CLEAN AIR LEGISLATION.
>>
>> By change air pollution monitoring stations around to take best advantage

>> of
>> the urban heat plumes you can find a lot of particulates in the 
>> surrounding
>> suburbs and gaseous pollution in the city getting sucked in from suburban
>> highways. Street level monitoring in urban cores yields very different
>> results from the same level in a suburb.
>>
>> By rearranging the monitoring stations, Large cities got 'fairer' 
>> treatment
>> from EPA.
>>
>> So When KYOTO's first recommendations came out; I looked at the sampling
>> points and monitoring methodology, and then the models for extrapolating 
>> out
>> a GLOBAL generalization. Huge ozone-like holes suddenly 
>> appeared---nothing
>> from the Southern Hemisphere, nothing from the vast southern oceans, 
>> nothing
>> from outer space when the Russians have been parked for decades trying to
>> 'see' through the growing maze of contrails; just US source data and a
>> handful of European universities....and a decided tact to blame large US
>> energy corporations with a road map laced with CO2 lines.
>>
>> Few people fully understand the nature of diurnal temperatures or the
>> differential between radiative heating by day, and cooling at night and 
>> the
>> atmospheric factors which prevent adequate cooling...even when you 
>> explain
>> it, they glaze over and prefer evil EXXON stories of corporate greed 
>> instead
>> of true greenhouse effects and the role frozen water vapour plays in
>> reflecting heat back to earth.
>>
>> I am not alone in noting how the recorded rise in temps over Northern
>> hemisphere air corridors coincides rather nicely with the rise in jet 
>> plane
>> traffic in them...the graphs 'nest' rather nicely; nor am I the only one 
>> to
>> note the near absence of CO2 in the upper atmosphere's 'greenhouse' 
>> layer.
>>
>> And these contrails are man made
>>
>> Frank J. Heller, MPA
>> KATAHDIN ENERGY WORKS
>> 12 Belmont St.
>> Brunswick, ME 04011-3004
>> 207.729.6090
>> http://mysite.verizon.net/fjheller/
>>
>>
>
>
>
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