[Gasification] Aviation's role inglobalwarming...9/11 aftermathproves theories on H20 incontrailsin dramatic fashion.

[Ken Basterfield]

Greg,
We are divided by a common language.
Diesel starts at 35 second viscosity, Kero is 28 sec. As you say longer
chain molecules in Diesel.
We don't refer to jet aviation fuel as Diesel. It is Kero.
Perhaps east of the pond only?
Ken



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[mailto:gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of Greg and April
Sent: 22 March 2008 15:13
To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
Subject: Re: [Gasification] Aviation's role inglobalwarming...9/11
aftermathproves theories on H20 incontrailsin dramatic fashion.


Kero, Diesel, and home furnace fuel are all about the same with the main 
differences, being the amount of allowable waxes and sulfur.

Sure you will get a few more of the longer carbon chains as you move from 
kero, to diesel 1, to diesel 2, and to diesel 4 ( which is also called 
furnace oil, heating oil, and fuel oil ), but in a nut shell they are all in

the same fuel family and to some extent can be intermixed, depending on the 
application.    Kero is almost to "dry" so it doesn't provide the same level

of lubrication as the diesel for tight tolerance fuel pumps on diesel 
engines - it's dry because it doesn't have the same level of waxes as diesel

has.

Think about it - that is one of the reasons why the US Army, specified a jet

turbine as the engine when the M1 Abrams was being designed - but actually 
prefers to runs them on common diesel rather than more expensive jet fuel.


Greg H.


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> No it is not basic Diesel, it is Kerosene.
> Ken
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> April
> Sent: 21 March 2008 14:33
> To: fjheller at verizon.net; Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Aviation's role in globalwarming...9/11
> aftermath proves theories on H20 in contrailsin dramatic fashion.
>
>
> Jet fuel at it's most basic, is ultra high quality diesel, with 
> additives added to it to do various things - like detergents to keep 
> the system clean,
>
> and as far as commercial aviation is concerned to minimize the risk of
> fire
> in a crash.
>
> The problem with biological diesel fuels, is that they have very poor 
> cold weather characteristics- something that due to the altitude, 
> jet's face all day, every day while they are flying.
>
> Another factor, is that biological fuels tend to have a lower BTU 
> value
> than
>
> their fossil fuel counterparts - which means that more fuel has to be 
> carried for a given distance traveled - thus a lower fuel economy ( 
> which can be a major factor in flight operations ).
>
>
> Personally, I would like to see commercial flying cut back and the 
> return
> of
>
> commercial train traffic ( which is more fuel efficient anyway ) - 
> steam engines based on gasification tech anyone?
>
>
> Greg H.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Katahdin Energy Works" <KatahdinEnergyWorks at verizon.net>
> To: "'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'"
> <gasification at listserv.repp.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:57
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Aviation's role in global warming...9/11
> aftermath proves theories on H20 in contrails in dramatic fashion.
>
>
>> Interestingly, this discussion dovetails nicely with Branson's effort 
>> to make bio-jet fuels and burn them in Low Emissions Engines.
>>
>> Has anyone on here been involved in jet bio-fuel refineries of some 
>> kind? ...there's that $25m. prize to think about.
>>
>> Lot of the technical papers are shrouded in secrecy...CIA efforts at 
>> 'cloud making' to affect climate and obscure snoopy satellites; as 
>> well as the Air
>> Force's efforts at obscuring Stealth fighter  & B2 bomber contrails to
>> prevent either ground or satellite tracking. It also touches on particle
>> emissions as well as gas composition.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Frank J. Heller, MPA
>> KATAHDIN ENERGY WORKS
>> 12 Belmont St.
>> Brunswick, ME 04011-3004
>> 207.729.6090
>> http://mysite.verizon.net/fjheller/
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org
>> [mailto:gasification-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of Greg and 
>> April
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:05 AM
>> To: fjheller at verizon.net; Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and
>> gasification
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Aviation's role in global warming...9/11
>> aftermath proves theories on H20 in contrails in dramatic fashion.
>>
>> Ah Frank,
>>
>>
>> Just in case you haven't noticed, CO2 doesn't make contrails - it's 
>> the water vapor in the jet exhaust that makes the contrails, and 
>> everyone knows
>> that water vapor is a stronger greenhouse gas than CO2.    Contrails are
>>
>>
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