[Gasification] Aviation'sroleinglobalwarming...9/11aftermathproves theoriesonH20incontrailsin dramatic fashion.

[Kenn Johnsen]

Railroads is an outdated form of transportations, it can not survive  
without government money - regulation support. It is making us all  
poorer.

Kenn

Den 24/03/2008 kl. 16.41 skrev Greg and April:

> Being cheep and being efficient do not necessarily go hand in hand
>
> I priced train travel about a year ago, for a family of 4 and except  
> for a
> 12 hr layover in San Francisco, it wasn't to bad.
>
> The air industry is being supported by the gov, because they have  
> the gov's
> ear - for some reason the managed to convince the govt that they are  
> an
> essential industry.
>
> The reason that train travel has become so expensive, is the fact  
> that the
> airlines have drawn so much of the passenger run, that the rails  
> have had to
> raise their price just to stay running - IOW, the more passengers,  
> the lower
> the price per passenger can be - the fewer the passengers the higher  
> the
> price has to be.
>
> To some extent, the railroads ( at least here in the US ) have cut  
> their own
> throat, by eliminating small towns from their routes - sure  
> individual small
> towns don't provide a lot of income, but as a whole most of these  
> small
> towns don't even rate an airport, so taken together if anyone wanted  
> to
> travel, they either took the bus ( nasty ) or the train - now they  
> don't
> even have the option of the train, so the bus system is reaping all  
> of the
> money that used to go to the train system.
>
> Greg H.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Max Kennedy" <vacuum1313 at yahoo.ca>
> To: "Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification"
> <gasification at listserv.repp.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 19:16
> Subject: Re: [Gasification]
> Aviation'sroleinglobalwarming...9/11aftermathproves
> theoriesonH20incontrailsin dramatic fashion.
>
>
>> Although the fuel efficiency of trains is much better have you  
>> priced them
>> lately?  I am planning a trip from NE Ontario to the Okanogan  
>> region of
>> British Columbia this summer and compared the 2. Plane is $400-500  
>> return
>> each depending on day of the week, I can take my dogs thereby  
>> avoiding
>> kenneling costs and it gets you there in a few hours.  Train is  
>> $2700 ONE
>> WAY for the regular seats (3 day trip), $3400 for a berth and $4200  
>> for a
>> private sleeper.  I can't take the dogs on the train, according to  
>> Via and
>> would have to add another $600+ for a 2 week stay in a kennel.   
>> That makes
>> a 2 week trip for 2 people cost a minimum $12000 return not including
>> expenses while there.  This is the same cost as an all inclusive,
>> moderately expensive balcony suite on an upscale cruise ship for  
>> the same
>> period of time including the airfair.  I know this because I had one
>> booked for this summer before throwing a blood clot in the lung 3  
>> weeks
>> ago and having to cancel!
>> The trip to BC is sort of a replacement for the big 5 yr anniversary
>> cruise.  As long as this kind of cost imbalance exists trains will  
>> not be
>> the preferred mode of travel no matter how efficient they are!
>> Additionally theyare never on time because freight makes more money  
>> and
>> any time there is a conflict the passenger train stops and sits on a
>> siding waiting for the freight to go by.  Between here, Kirkland  
>> Lake, and
>> Toronto, a matter of about 700km, the train is alawys at least an  
>> hour
>> late, I can only imagine what a tip of thousands of kilometers  
>> would mean
>> in delays.  As long as planes can afford to fly trains will not be
>> competition.  Maybe someone with clout should talk to the train  
>> companies.
>> Forgive my rant but trains are a bit of a sore point right now.
>>
>> Max K.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Greg and April <gregandapril at earthlink.net>
>> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
>> <gasification at listserv.repp.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 12:18:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Aviation'sroleinglobalwarming...9/11
>> aftermathproves theoriesonH20incontrailsin dramatic fashion.
>>
>> OTOH, allot of aircraft are wasting fuel by making short hops
>> of less than 100 miles - they barley get to cruising altitude and  
>> they are
>> descending to land.    In this case perhaps a ground based  
>> transport like
>> high speed train linking cities that close to one major airport, is  
>> the
>> better solution.
>>
>> Just remember, that as far as fuel efficiency is concerned  
>> ( passenger
>> miles ), flying is the most inefficient, and taking the train, is  
>> better
>> than even the bus.
>>
>>
>>      
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