[Gasification] DOE's demonstration gasification project history

[Michael Redler]

Greg wrote: "Iraq is not and never has been a significant source of oil 
for the U.S.,"

Even if this were on topic, I can't believe that there is still debate 
on this issue. How painfully obvious does this have to become?! The U.S 
consumes 25% of the Worlds oil production. If, for the sake of 
conversation, the U.S. didn't consume a drop of oil, world demand makes 
it a commodity which affords the owner almost unimaginable wealth and 
power. I suggest you look at the bigger picture Greg.

1.) Motive:

"This new world order will be characterized by fierce international 
competition for dwindling stocks of oil, natural gas, coal, and uranium, 
as well as by a tidal shift in power and wealth from energy-deficit 
states like China, Japan, and the United States to energy-surplus states 
like Russia, Saudi Arabia, and Venezuela."
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/04/15/8316/

2.) Action: Military Invasion - Acknowledgment of a (not so well 
concealed) crime

"I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what 
everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil."
- Alan Greenspan, Former chairman of the Federal Reserve
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article2461214.ece

"Oil was the main reason for military action against Iraq"
- Paul Wolfowitz, Former US deputy defense secretary
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/060503A.shtml

"Oil and War in Iraq have been inextricably intertwined, it seems, in 
the war plans of both the Pentagon and the oil industry--otherwise known 
as "Big Oil"--long before the recent war in Iraq."
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Oil_and_War_in_Iraq

3.) Securing the spoils of an illegal invasion:

"Iraq's massive oil reserves, the third-largest in the world, are 
about to be thrown open for large-scale exploitation by Western oil 
companies under a controversial law which is expected to come before 
the Iraqi parliament within days."
http://www.zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?itemID=11810&sectionID=15

And by illegal invasion (i.e. "crime"), I mean a violation of the 
constitution, where the powers of congress were overridden and later, 
congress was deceived into supporting the decision to enter into the war.

Article 1, Section 8, clause 11: The Congress shall have Power To 
declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules 
concerning Captures on Land and Water;

Article 1, Section 10, Clause 3: No State shall, without the Consent of 
Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time 
of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or 
with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in 
such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

http://ivaw.org/member/thomas-j-buonomo
http://www.house.gov/house/Constitution/Constitution.html

That's not even touching on the international treaties which were 
violated during the war.

-Mike

Greg and April wrote:
> That's a myth.    Most Persian Gulf oil ( including Iraqi ) oil goes to 
> Europe.
>
> Iraq is not and never has been a significant source of oil for the U.S., 
> before or after Desert Storm and totals only about 1.5% of annual use, and 
> for that piddling amount, we could swap with another country non Iraqi oil 
> if it really was an issue.
>
> Regardless of if we are at war or not, the military is getting paid, the 
> only true non peace time expenditure is combat pay.    Everything else is 
> incurred even in peace time - granted at a reduced rate but the expenditures 
> are still incurred.
>
>
> Greg H.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kevin Chisholm" <kchisholm at ca.inter.net>
> To: "Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification" 
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> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 11:44
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] DOE's demonstration gasification project history
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>   
>> If the cost of the US Military that was primarily directed at securing
>> oil supplies were factored in, US Oil Imports should be charged off at
>> something in the range of $200 per bbl. This would mean $6 to $7 gallon
>> gasoline.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>>     
>
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