[Gasification] DOE's demonstration gasification project history

[Kenn Johnsen]

If this is only about oil, how come that the US could not find some  
oil closer to the US......but it had to be a few miles from  
Israel........? are you looking at the big picture.......?



Den 05/05/2008 kl. 01.32 skrev Michael Redler:

> Greg wrote: "Iraq is not and never has been a significant source of  
> oil
> for the U.S.,"
>
> Even if this were on topic, I can't believe that there is still debate
> on this issue. How painfully obvious does this have to become?! The  
> U.S
> consumes 25% of the Worlds oil production. If, for the sake of
> conversation, the U.S. didn't consume a drop of oil, world demand  
> makes
> it a commodity which affords the owner almost unimaginable wealth and
> power. I suggest you look at the bigger picture Greg.
>
> 1.) Motive:
>
> "This new world order will be characterized by fierce international
> competition for dwindling stocks of oil, natural gas, coal, and  
> uranium,
> as well as by a tidal shift in power and wealth from energy-deficit
> states like China, Japan, and the United States to energy-surplus  
> states
> like Russia, Saudi Arabia, and Venezuela."
> http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/04/15/8316/
>
> 2.) Action: Military Invasion - Acknowledgment of a (not so well
> concealed) crime
>
> "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what
> everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil."
> - Alan Greenspan, Former chairman of the Federal Reserve
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article2461214.ece
>
> "Oil was the main reason for military action against Iraq"
> - Paul Wolfowitz, Former US deputy defense secretary
> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/060503A.shtml
>
> "Oil and War in Iraq have been inextricably intertwined, it seems, in
> the war plans of both the Pentagon and the oil industry--otherwise  
> known
> as "Big Oil"--long before the recent war in Iraq."
> http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Oil_and_War_in_Iraq
>
> 3.) Securing the spoils of an illegal invasion:
>
> "Iraq's massive oil reserves, the third-largest in the world, are
> about to be thrown open for large-scale exploitation by Western oil
> companies under a controversial law which is expected to come before
> the Iraqi parliament within days."
> http://www.zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm? 
> itemID=11810&sectionID=15
>
> And by illegal invasion (i.e. "crime"), I mean a violation of the
> constitution, where the powers of congress were overridden and later,
> congress was deceived into supporting the decision to enter into the  
> war.
>
> Article 1, Section 8, clause 11: The Congress shall have Power To
> declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules
> concerning Captures on Land and Water;
>
> Article 1, Section 10, Clause 3: No State shall, without the Consent  
> of
> Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in  
> time
> of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or
> with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in
> such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.
>
> http://ivaw.org/member/thomas-j-buonomo
> http://www.house.gov/house/Constitution/Constitution.html
>
> That's not even touching on the international treaties which were
> violated during the war.
>
> -Mike
>
> Greg and April wrote:
>> That's a myth.    Most Persian Gulf oil ( including Iraqi ) oil  
>> goes to
>> Europe.
>>
>> Iraq is not and never has been a significant source of oil for the  
>> U.S.,
>> before or after Desert Storm and totals only about 1.5% of annual  
>> use, and
>> for that piddling amount, we could swap with another country non  
>> Iraqi oil
>> if it really was an issue.
>>
>> Regardless of if we are at war or not, the military is getting  
>> paid, the
>> only true non peace time expenditure is combat pay.    Everything  
>> else is
>> incurred even in peace time - granted at a reduced rate but the  
>> expenditures
>> are still incurred.
>>
>>
>> Greg H.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kevin Chisholm" <kchisholm at ca.inter.net>
>> To: "Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification"
>> <gasification at listserv.repp.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 11:44
>> Subject: Re: [Gasification] DOE's demonstration gasification  
>> project history
>>
>>
>>
>>> If the cost of the US Military that was primarily directed at  
>>> securing
>>> oil supplies were factored in, US Oil Imports should be charged  
>>> off at
>>> something in the range of $200 per bbl. This would mean $6 to $7  
>>> gallon
>>> gasoline.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Kevin
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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