[Greenbuilding] [BULK] Re: [BULK] HCFC & HFC ozone & globalwarming

[George J. Nesbitt]

And one prediction is that global warming will cause Europe to go into 
an ice age. So some places will be too cold, others to hot and dry, and 
with too many people in the world we we be trying to eek out a living 
with less space and recourses.

Jeannie wrote:

>I forgot to say -- the idea of human induced global warming preventing an
>ice age is faulty.  Ice ages are caused by global warming.
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>http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0130-11.htm
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>Jeannie Babb Taylor
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>To: Lawrence Lile
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>Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] [BULK] Re: [BULK] HCFC & HFC ozone &
>globalwarming
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>On the global warming topic, a friend of mine (an engineer and life long
>science buff) brought up an interesting perspective on the issue on which I
>was wondering if anyone else has any insights. He pointed out that if you
>look at the natural warming and cooling patterns of the earth over it's
>history, that the earth is due for a ice age. His comment on global warming
>is similar to Lawrence's which is that global warming will not be good, but
>we humans can probably adapt to the changes. A natural ice age however would
>be catastrophic for humans. Following that thought, human induced global
>warming could actually be saving us from an ice age. It was a fascinating
>conversation although tough to swallow the "bright side" concept; especially
>during hurricane season.
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>Lisa
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>On 8/30/06, Lawrence Lile <LLile at projsolco.com > wrote:
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>>>While there are less of these gases than carbon dioxide, they are 10
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>>to 11 thousand times worse.
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>>Aha! So they are a major problem compared to CO2. I had no idea. I stand
>>corrected.
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>>>The Kyoto Protocol is calling for only 1 billion pounds reduction in
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>>carbon dioxide. That goal has been wiped out by using HCFC's and HFC's
>>and we would be lucky to save 1 billion pounds of the 2 to 3 by
>>switching to better alternative at this point.
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>>Not the only problem with the Kyoto protocol, which was basically
>>watered down so bad as to only preserve the status quo.  I would have
>>liked to see them ratify it, then force through BIGGER restrictions.
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>>>There was another article in todays paper about methane. If the oceans
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>>heat up too much more methane will be released (worse greenhouse than
>>carbon dioxide), and there is more methane in the oceans (12 trillion
>>pounds) than carbon dioxide in all of the fossil fuels left on
>>earth.Scary thought eh?
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>>Kinda knocks the air out of carbon sequestration in the oceans, doesn't
>>it?
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>>We are facing a huge battle.  Many of the natural systems, if stressed
>>beyond a certain limit, go through a phase shift and change
>>dramatically.  For example Antarctic ice shelves tend to melt slowly for
>>a long time then suddenly collapse catastrophically. A few degrees
>>surface temperature in the Gulf makes the difference between a Cat 2 and
>>a Cat 5 hurricane.  Methane in the Oceans might be the same type of
>>system, which if it snaps could trigger runaway global warming. In that
>>case you'd better invest in some beachfront property in Arkansas.
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>>There are some who argue that Global warming is inevitable, because we
>>won't change fast enough, so get used to it and figure out how to cope.
>>I don't hold to that theory.  However, we keep talking about this like
>>it is the end of the world.  It isn't, it's just change on a large
>>scale.  Yes, we'd lose species, flood some coastal cities, and have to
>>get used to different weather pattterns, and all of those things are bad
>>and uncomfortable and I would rather avoid them.  However, even if the
>>worst predictions for global warming happen, our grandchildren will
>>still be here cussing their grandparents for being so shortsighted, but
>>still living out life just fine. Between Cat 5 hurricanes.
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>>--Lawrence Lile
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