[Greenbuilding] [BULK] Re: Green Cleaners

[Irina Golfman]

Keith,

I have MCS and I reacted to Simple Green immediately when I tried to use it 
years ago. I like SuperClean and SafetyClean products made by AFM Safecoat. 
They are super concentrated and need to be diluted before use. A point made 
on this list about people reacting to different things should be taken 
seriously. There isn't a single product that works for every sensitive 
person. Experimenting in small quantities usually works well for me.

Good luck,
Irina

At 12:42 AM 12/6/2006, Keith Winston wrote:
>Yes, it may be that I'm simply particularly sensitive to whatever it is
>in Simple Green. I'm not sure, of course (how could I be?). I am not
>particularly sensitive otherwise -- even though I try to avoid what I
>can, I come in contact with a remarkable range of noxious stuff (as a
>contractor), and mostly it doesn't unduly faze me. I also don't mean to
>understate MCS, I'm quite familiar with it and know several people who
>deal with it personally and professionally. I just don't think this was
>an unusual sensitivity, I think SG is more noxious, at least in some
>certain kind of situations, than people realize. But I guess I'll let it
>rest now, I've only said that 4 times or something!
>
>Keith
>
>
>David Seth Melchert wrote:
> > Over the years I have worked with people with Multiple Chemical
> > Sensitivity (MCS), also called Environmental Illness (EI). While many
> > are only moderately sensitive to toxins in their homes and lives, some
> > are way off the scale. In my experience they are not being dramatic,
> > hypochondriacs or fussy. It would seem that their bodies had been
> > whacked out by some sort of chemical trauma which made them hyper
> > sensitive, and they are unable to get back to normal. Seemingly
> > innocuous things such as isopropyl alcohol, scent from those cling-free
> > sheets people put in their clothes dryers, newsprint ink, new wood
> > resins, duct tape glue (I could go on writing a very long list) now make
> > them ill. Allergy doctors in general are unable to help very much
> > either. It is as if some sort of critical mass had been reached in their
> > bodies and from that point on they are in an entirely new quantum level
> > of sensitivity. Normal MSDS criteria no longer apply.
> >
> > While I myself am not sensitive to these things I've had to train myself
> > to perceive them. You can start by walking down the gardening isle in
> > any mainstream store to experience the assault on your body by
> > fertilizers and pesticides. Then go to a mainstream drug store and
> > choose cosmetics or detergents. From here, try paper products or
> > medicines. Each level is more subtle, but I have learned that even the
> > faintest of chemicals can set people off. Right now I have a client who
> > is reacting to some AFM Safecoat clear finish. Another to Bona Chemi
> > Traffic catalyzed floor finish. These are way out on the clean end of
> > the scale, but that is no guarantee to MCS folks. My mistake was to not
> > give them samples to check ahead of time.
> >
> > So Keith you are really on your own. Your own body is the testing
> > laboratory that will determine any product's toxicity to you. I am
> > sorry, and I wish you luck. If you can stay clean, real clean for a
> > period of time my hope is that you will lose your hypersensitivity.
> >
> > By the way, you are a rare case of an MCS man. Most are women.
> >
> > best wishes,
> >
> > Seth Melchert
> > Oakland CA
> >
> > Keith Winston wrote:
> >
> >> Just to be clear, since I got several personal emails on this:
> >>
> >> It wasn't the scent. I didn't get high.....
> >> I almost died. I am not being melodramatic.
> >>
> >>
> >> Of course in retrospect this was all very stupid (did I mention this was
> >> stupid?), but it seems unlikely to me that I could be THAT overcome in
> >> one case, and it's all friendly and yummy when used in smaller
> >> quantities. But I don't really know about that.
> >>
> >> Keith
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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