[Greenbuilding] [BULK] Green Death and Water Quality
Lawrence Lile
LLile at projsolco.com
Wed Sep 6 09:34:38 CDT 2006
In the New Orleans graveyards, all corpses are put in crypts
aboveground, because the corpse buried underground will float up when
the ground gets saturated. A creepy hand pokes out of the dark,
steaming muck,.... The stuff of horror movies! If you've got a lot of
wetlands, you have the same situation.
--Lawrence
-----Original Message-----
From: greenbuilding-bounces at listserv.repp.org
[mailto:greenbuilding-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of Blyth
McManus
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 5:42 AM
To: greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org
Subject: [BULK] [Greenbuilding] Green Death and Water Quality
Importance: Low
I have often wondered if there is there a potential threat to water
safety if green burials become commonplace, where it isn't just one or
two people, it's dozens or even hundreds. I live in an area full of
wetlands which is also prone to coastal flooding and storm tides I am
very aware of water quality issues. Many of us are on private wells.
And yes, I am a proponent of green burial and also cremation. I just
haven't been able to find an answer to that question.
Cheers,
Blyth
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 13:44:04 -0400
> From: "Bill Hutchins" <billhutchins at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [Greenbuilding] FW: Green Death
> To: "Greenbuilder list" <greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org>
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> from my wife.......
>
> and lawrence, what is your source
> for emissions from cremation?
>
> best,
> bill
> www.heliconworks.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beth Knox [mailto:bethknox at earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:21 PM
> To: Bill Hutchins
> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Green Death
>
>
> Hi Lawrence,
> Re: your green death message
> Green burial - ie not embalmed, not cremated - is a very viable
> alternative to the present scenario. It is gaining in popularity as
> individuals get educated on these topics. I am executive director of
> a non-profit called Crossings (www.crossings.net) which educates
exactly on these topics.
> Embalming is never required by law, so don't let anyone tell you it
> is. It is not a matter of state law that mandates embalming, but the
> funeral home's policies. Families have the right to care for their
> own departed, foregoing the intervention of a funeral home and these
> policies, in 45 out of the 50 states. Every state needs a green burial
> preserve. For a list of the current ones, go to
> www.forestofmemories.org. Also, green burial is often allowed on
private land.
>
> There are options besides the one you propose (they are going to
> embalm the dickens out of you at a medical school and THEN cremate
> you), more ecologically sound, psychologically healing, and
> spiritually nurturing. To say nothing of being more loving.
>
> all the best,
> beth
>
>
>
> |
> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: greenbuilding-bounces at listserv.repp.org
> | [mailto:greenbuilding-bounces at listserv.repp.org]On Behalf Of
> | Lawrence Lile
> | Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 9:57 AM
> | To: Greenbuilder list
> | Subject: [Greenbuilding] Green Death
> |
> |
> | So much for recycling: Burials in America deposit 827,060 gallons of
> | embalming fluid-formaldehyde, methanol, and ethanol-into the soil
> | each year. Cremation pumps dioxins, hydrochloric acid, sulfur
> | dioxide, and carbon dioxide into the air. It is actually legal in
> | some states to bury corpses without embalming, however it takes
> | special procedures (I know someone who insisted they be buried in
this manner).
> |
> | Alternatively . . . A Swedish company, Promessa, will freeze-dry
> | your body in liquid nitrogen, pulverize it with high-frequency
> | vibrations, and seal the resulting powder in a cornstarch coffin.
> | They claim this "ecological burial" will decompose in 6 to 12
months.
> |
> | I wonder how much Carbon Dioxide each of us will turn into if we are
> | cremated?
> |
> | Personally I'll donate my body to science. Let some med student
> | learn how to transplant livers on me. They'll end up cremating me
> | anyway but at least I'll hit a lick for science on the way out.
> |
> |
> | -Lawrence Lile
> |
> |
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>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 14:45:39 -0400
> From: "John Messerschmidt" <John at ducecc.com>
> Subject: [Greenbuilding] Garage/Workshop
> To: "Greenbuilding at Listserv. Repp. Org"
> <greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org>
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> Hi There,
>
> I have a garage 20x20x8'high, built in 1964 out of cement block. The
> ceiling is 4" of concrete with a flat rubber membrane roof. West wall
> is against earth (side of a hill), south wall is abutting the (non
> insulated) living area of our walk out basement. East wall is
> exposed, North wall has the garage doors. The house is in New York.
>
> I wanted to frame out the walls and ceiling and spray on Tiger foam or
> cellulose so that I can use the garage as a woodshop in the winter
> without having to heat it. I could work in there if the temperature
> would be in the 50's. Now I'm finding that to insulate (never mind
> the framing and
> sheetrock) could be $1500 or more. That's ok, if it works. I'm just
> afraid that with all the concrete and air leaks in the garage door I'd
> end up freezing anyway. The floor is of course, concrete too.
>
> Additionally, we extended a room above the garage, taking up one
> quarter of the garage surface. Now there is a dining room sitting on
> top of the concrete ceiling of the garage. In order to keep the
> dining room floor level with existing, there is only 3 1/2" of Icynene
> insulation between the framing. If I could insulate the ceiling
> below, would it help the dining room above?
>
> Do you think it's a good idea to add the expense of insulating this
> workshop? Should I save the $1500 and use it to buy electricity to
> run an electric heater?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 13:44:33 -0500
> From: "Lawrence Lile" <LLile at projsolco.com>
> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] [BULK] Re: LEED test
> To: "Steven Shepard" <sbtdesigns at earthlink.net>, "Greenbuilder
list"
> <greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org>
> Message-ID:
>
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>
> >May I ask what passing this test will do for you and/or your career?
> I am just curious.
>
> Well, maybe nothing!
>
> If you land a project that requires LEED (many federal projects are
> requiring LEED compliance now) then it will help. There are a few
> architects that believe LEED to be a basic part of a required skill
set.
> I know one that uses Green building principles in every project.
> Although few of his projects are actually LEED registered, all of the
> ones he does for the Missouri Department of Natural Resources would
> qualify as Green buildings, for example. He doesn't like to like to
> work with people who aren't at least LEED certified.
>
> I made it a priority because I believe Green architecture is a vital
> component to a sustainable future. I use these principles on design
> projects as a matter of course. Also, letters look good behind your
> name. Will I ever get a job doing a LEED project? Who knows?
>
> --Lawerence Lile, PE, LEEP AP, etc, etc.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Shepard [mailto:sbtdesigns at earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:37 PM
> To: Lawrence Lile
> Subject: [BULK] Re: [Greenbuilding] LEED test
> Importance: Low
>
> May I ask what passing this test will do for you and/or your career?
> I am just curious.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Lawrence Lile <LLile at projsolco.com>
> >Sent: Sep 5, 2006 8:39 AM
> >To: greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org
> >Subject: [Greenbuilding] LEED test
> >
> >Well, I passed the LEED test last Saturday!
> >
> >I found it to be less difficult than the Colorado USGBC chapter
> practice test (at least I scored higher on the real test than the
> practice test) however I would nto describe either as "easy". On a
> typical question, you have a field of seven possible answer choices,
> you must pick three, two are obviously right and two more are close or
> ambiguous. Many of the questions covered LEED application process,
> which you don't have any chance to study if your company is not a
> USGBC member and you can't access the members only areas.
> >
> >Overall, I would describe it as a challenging test. Study hard if
> >you
> are going to be taking it!
> >
> >Lawrence Lile, P.E., LEED AP
> >
> >
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> > publisher of Environmental Building News and GreenSpec(r)
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>
>
> SBT Designs
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> San Antonio, Texas 78257
> (210) 698-7109
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>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 17:27:52 -0400
> From: Keith Winston <keith at earthsunenergy.com>
> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Garage/Workshop
> To: Greenbuilder list <greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org>
> Message-ID: <44FDEBD8.2040205 at earthsunenergy.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Well, the idea of saving insulating money to pay for electricity is
> short-sighted -- but if all you're looking for is a few seasons, then
> it might be the right answer... It's also true that with all that
> concrete, it's going to be terribly hard to keep heat from escaping
> -- and the fact that you think $1500 is a lot is foreboding. Don't get
> me wrong, money doesn't grow on trees, but construction projects are
expensive.
>
> What are you hoping to do in there? When you say work, do you mean on
> a car, or something else? Are you planning on doing anything with the
> garage doors? That's where the bulk of your heat escapes from, if
> they're typical leaky, uninsulated garage doors.
>
> A good job would entail something drastic to the doors (swap one out
> for new/tighter, close the other up?), some floor treatment (depends
> on what the space will be used for, but since the slab was almost
> certainly not insulated, huge heat loss happens there), and walls and
> ceiling. Yes insulating the ceiling will help the dining room above,
> but not as much as you might wish: a lot of heat will sneak out
through the roof.
> Concrete conducts heat quite well...
>
> Good luck!
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> John Messerschmidt wrote:
> > Hi There,
> >
> > I have a garage 20x20x8'high, built in 1964 out of cement block.
> > The ceiling is 4" of concrete with a flat rubber membrane roof.
> > West wall is against earth (side of a hill), south wall is abutting
> > the (non insulated) living area of our walk out basement. East wall
> > is exposed, North wall has the garage doors. The house is in New
York.
> >
> > I wanted to frame out the walls and ceiling and spray on Tiger foam
> > or cellulose so that I can use the garage as a woodshop in the
> > winter without having to heat it. I could work in there if the
> > temperature would be in the 50's. Now I'm finding that to insulate
> > (never mind the framing and
> > sheetrock) could be $1500 or more. That's ok, if it works. I'm
> > just afraid that with all the concrete and air leaks in the garage
> > door I'd end up freezing anyway. The floor is of course, concrete
too.
> >
> > Additionally, we extended a room above the garage, taking up one
> > quarter of the garage surface. Now there is a dining room sitting
> > on top of the concrete ceiling of the garage. In order to keep the
> > dining room floor level with existing, there is only 3 1/2" of
> > Icynene insulation between the framing. If I could insulate the
> > ceiling below, would it help the dining room above?
> >
> > Do you think it's a good idea to add the expense of insulating this
> > workshop? Should I save the $1500 and use it to buy electricity to
> > run an electric heater?
> >
> > Thanks for your help.
> >
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Greenbuilding email list
> > List info:
> > http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_listserv.rep
> > p.org List email: Greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org Managed by
> > BuildingGreen, Inc. http://www.buildinggreen.com
> > publisher of Environmental Building News and GreenSpec(r)
> > Hosted and archived by REPP / CREST http://www.crest.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Keith Winston
> Earth Sun Energy Systems
> 3927 Madison St.
> Hyattsville, MD 20781
> 301-980-6325
> keith at earthsunenergy.com
> www.EarthSunEnergy.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:11:38 -0700
> From: "George J. Nesbitt" <geoedb at idiom.com>
> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] FW: Green Death
> To: Greenbuilder list <greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org>
> Message-ID: <44FE2E5A.3010801 at idiom.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I recall that in a country bordering Inda they leave the dead for the
> voultures.
> Natures way of recycling.
>
>
>
> Bill Hutchins wrote:
>
> >from my wife.......
> >
> >and lawrence, what is your source
> >for emissions from cremation?
> >
> >best,
> >bill
> >www.heliconworks.com
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Beth Knox [mailto:bethknox at earthlink.net]
> >Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:21 PM
> >To: Bill Hutchins
> >Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Green Death
> >
> >
> >Hi Lawrence,
> >Re: your green death message
> >Green burial - ie not embalmed, not cremated - is a very viable
> >alternative to the present scenario. It is gaining in popularity as
> >individuals get educated on these topics. I am executive director of
> >a non-profit called Crossings (www.crossings.net) which educates
exactly on these topics.
> >Embalming is never required by law, so don't let anyone tell you it
> >is. It is not a matter of state law that mandates embalming, but the
> >funeral home's policies. Families have the right to care for their
> >own departed, foregoing the intervention of a funeral home and these
> >policies, in 45 out of the 50 states. Every state needs a green
> >burial preserve. For a list of the current ones, go to
> >www.forestofmemories.org. Also, green burial is often allowed on
private land.
> >
> >There are options besides the one you propose (they are going to
> >embalm the dickens out of you at a medical school and THEN cremate
> >you), more ecologically sound, psychologically healing, and
> >spiritually nurturing. To say nothing of being more loving.
> >
> >all the best,
> >beth
> >
> >
> >
> >|
> >| -----Original Message-----
> >| From: greenbuilding-bounces at listserv.repp.org
> >| [mailto:greenbuilding-bounces at listserv.repp.org]On Behalf Of
> >| Lawrence Lile
> >| Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 9:57 AM
> >| To: Greenbuilder list
> >| Subject: [Greenbuilding] Green Death
> >|
> >|
> >| So much for recycling: Burials in America deposit 827,060 gallons
> >| of embalming fluid-formaldehyde, methanol, and ethanol-into the
> >| soil each year. Cremation pumps dioxins, hydrochloric acid, sulfur
> >| dioxide, and carbon dioxide into the air. It is actually legal in
> >| some states to bury corpses without embalming, however it takes
> >| special procedures (I know someone who insisted they be buried in
this manner).
> >|
> >| Alternatively . . . A Swedish company, Promessa, will freeze-dry
> >| your body in liquid nitrogen, pulverize it with high-frequency
> >| vibrations, and seal the resulting powder in a cornstarch coffin.
> >| They claim this "ecological burial" will decompose in 6 to 12
months.
> >|
> >| I wonder how much Carbon Dioxide each of us will turn into if we
> >| are cremated?
> >|
> >| Personally I'll donate my body to science. Let some med student
> >| learn how to transplant livers on me. They'll end up cremating me
> >| anyway but at least I'll hit a lick for science on the way out.
> >|
> >|
> >| -Lawrence Lile
> >|
> >|
> >| _______________________________________________
> >| Greenbuilding email list
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> >| pp.org List email: Greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org Managed by
> >| BuildingGreen, Inc. http://www.buildinggreen.com
> >| publisher of Environmental Building News and GreenSpec(r)
> >| Hosted and archived by REPP / CREST http://www.crest.org
> >|
> >
> >
> >
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> > publisher of Environmental Building News and GreenSpec(r)
> >Hosted and archived by REPP / CREST http://www.crest.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:17:13 -0700
> From: "George J. Nesbitt" <geoedb at idiom.com>
> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] [BULK] Re: LEED test
> To: Greenbuilder list <greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org>
> Message-ID: <44FE2FA9.1030604 at idiom.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Congratulations
> I am wishing I had those letters after my name right now.
> I can't get certified as a GreenPoints Rater because I don't have
> those letters, or have been through a $400 2 day training, or the one
> year one day a month Sonoma State Training.
> I don't have the time or money for either right now.
> I know the material better than the instructors for the $400 2 day
> GreenPoint Rater training that I already went through.
> argh.
>
>
> Lawrence Lile wrote:
>
> >>May I ask what passing this test will do for you and/or your career?
> >>
> >>
> >I am just curious.
> >
> >Well, maybe nothing!
> >
> >If you land a project that requires LEED (many federal projects are
> >requiring LEED compliance now) then it will help. There are a few
> >architects that believe LEED to be a basic part of a required skill
set.
> >I know one that uses Green building principles in every project.
> >Although few of his projects are actually LEED registered, all of the
> >ones he does for the Missouri Department of Natural Resources would
> >qualify as Green buildings, for example. He doesn't like to like to
> >work with people who aren't at least LEED certified.
> >
> >I made it a priority because I believe Green architecture is a vital
> >component to a sustainable future. I use these principles on design
> >projects as a matter of course. Also, letters look good behind your
> >name. Will I ever get a job doing a LEED project? Who knows?
> >
> >--Lawerence Lile, PE, LEEP AP, etc, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Steven Shepard [mailto:sbtdesigns at earthlink.net]
> >Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:37 PM
> >To: Lawrence Lile
> >Subject: [BULK] Re: [Greenbuilding] LEED test
> >Importance: Low
> >
> >May I ask what passing this test will do for you and/or your career?
> >I am just curious.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >
> >
> >>From: Lawrence Lile <LLile at projsolco.com>
> >>Sent: Sep 5, 2006 8:39 AM
> >>To: greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org
> >>Subject: [Greenbuilding] LEED test
> >>
> >>Well, I passed the LEED test last Saturday!
> >>
> >>I found it to be less difficult than the Colorado USGBC chapter
> >>
> >>
> >practice test (at least I scored higher on the real test than the
> >practice test) however I would nto describe either as "easy". On a
> >typical question, you have a field of seven possible answer choices,
> >you must pick three, two are obviously right and two more are close
> >or ambiguous. Many of the questions covered LEED application
> >process, which you don't have any chance to study if your company is
> >not a USGBC member and you can't access the members only areas.
> >
> >
> >>Overall, I would describe it as a challenging test. Study hard if
> >>you
> >>
> >>
> >are going to be taking it!
> >
> >
> >>Lawrence Lile, P.E., LEED AP
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>Greenbuilding email list
> >>List info:
> >>http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_listserv.rep
> >>p.o rg List email: Greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org Managed by
> >>BuildingGreen, Inc. http://www.buildinggreen.com
> >> publisher of Environmental Building News and GreenSpec(r)
> >>Hosted and archived by REPP / CREST http://www.crest.org
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >SBT Designs
> >25581 IH-10 West
> >San Antonio, Texas 78257
> >(210) 698-7109
> >www.sbtdesigns.com
> >
> >Our new email address is sbtdesigns at sbcglobal.net.
> >Please update your records.
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Greenbuilding email list
> >List info:
> >http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_listserv.repp
> >.org List email: Greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org Managed by
> >BuildingGreen, Inc. http://www.buildinggreen.com
> > publisher of Environmental Building News and GreenSpec(r)
> >Hosted and archived by REPP / CREST http://www.crest.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:21:56 -0700
> From: "George J. Nesbitt" <geoedb at idiom.com>
> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Garage/Workshop
> To: Greenbuilder list <greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org>
> Message-ID: <44FE30C4.5010408 at idiom.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Use Rigid foam instead of wall framing and spray foam, insulate all
> the walls and the ceiling. As Keith says the floor is not insulated
> and unless you can add insulation and another topping slab you will
> still have a cold floor. And as Keith noted the garage doors need
> upgrading to something insulated and weatherstripped.
>
>
> Keith Winston wrote:
>
> >Well, the idea of saving insulating money to pay for electricity is
> >short-sighted -- but if all you're looking for is a few seasons, then
> >it might be the right answer... It's also true that with all that
> >concrete, it's going to be terribly hard to keep heat from escaping
> >-- and the fact that you think $1500 is a lot is foreboding. Don't
> >get me wrong, money doesn't grow on trees, but construction projects
are expensive.
> >
> >What are you hoping to do in there? When you say work, do you mean on
> >a car, or something else? Are you planning on doing anything with the
> >garage doors? That's where the bulk of your heat escapes from, if
> >they're typical leaky, uninsulated garage doors.
> >
> >A good job would entail something drastic to the doors (swap one out
> >for new/tighter, close the other up?), some floor treatment (depends
> >on what the space will be used for, but since the slab was almost
> >certainly not insulated, huge heat loss happens there), and walls and
> >ceiling. Yes insulating the ceiling will help the dining room above,
> >but not as much as you might wish: a lot of heat will sneak out
through the roof.
> >Concrete conducts heat quite well...
> >
> >Good luck!
> >
> >Keith
> >
> >
> >
> >John Messerschmidt wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Hi There,
> >>
> >>I have a garage 20x20x8'high, built in 1964 out of cement block.
> >>The ceiling is 4" of concrete with a flat rubber membrane roof.
> >>West wall is against earth (side of a hill), south wall is abutting
> >>the (non insulated) living area of our walk out basement. East wall
> >>is exposed, North wall has the garage doors. The house is in New
York.
> >>
> >>I wanted to frame out the walls and ceiling and spray on Tiger foam
> >>or cellulose so that I can use the garage as a woodshop in the
> >>winter without having to heat it. I could work in there if the
> >>temperature would be in the 50's. Now I'm finding that to insulate
> >>(never mind the framing and
> >>sheetrock) could be $1500 or more. That's ok, if it works. I'm
> >>just afraid that with all the concrete and air leaks in the garage
> >>door I'd end up freezing anyway. The floor is of course, concrete
too.
> >>
> >>Additionally, we extended a room above the garage, taking up one
> >>quarter of the garage surface. Now there is a dining room sitting
> >>on top of the concrete ceiling of the garage. In order to keep the
> >>dining room floor level with existing, there is only 3 1/2" of
> >>Icynene insulation between the framing. If I could insulate the
> >>ceiling below, would it help the dining room above?
> >>
> >>Do you think it's a good idea to add the expense of insulating this
> >>workshop? Should I save the $1500 and use it to buy electricity to
> >>run an electric heater?
> >>
> >>Thanks for your help.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>John
> >>
> >>
> >>
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