[Greenbuilding] Searching for "Green" window options

Sat Sep 9 11:07:26 CDT 2006

Rainforests in Indonesia are being raised to plant palm oil trees to meet
the EU's demand for biodeisel, and the FSC is about the BIGGEST LIE
around--.... except maybe for WMDs in Iraq and the link between Osama bin
Laden and Sadam Hussein--or is that truth, too, Dan? Is the administration
flawed but basically on the right track?

One example of a recent FSC certification: Tembec 30 million acres certified
in Canada: "silvicutlure method" of choice: clearcutting, with no intention
of ever changing that, no land set aside for wildlife, and so on--all in the
public summary. Norway will not allow FSC to sell their products because the
label is a lie.

The FSC was once the wolf in sheep's clothing, but all these industries and
their organizations have been emboldened by the flagrant lies and hypocrisy
of the Bush Administration, per the Healthy Forests Initiative, for example,
or JUST L:AST WEEK, Bush's Agribusiness cronies complained that the small
grass-fed beef ranchers were cutting into their industrial feed-lot
business, so Bush decreed that feed-lot beef can now use the "grass fed"
label... Truth in Advertising (read "The Omnivore's Dilemma" for more
labeling travesties in the food biz). The FSC bothers less and less to don
the fleece, just like SFI, ALEC --or any of these industry associations
thinly masked as something else.

Cheers,

Mary
Mary Bull, Co-director
Greenwood Earth Alliance, Save the Redwoods - Boycott the Gap Campaign
252 Frederick, San Francisco, CA 94117 http://www.gapsucks.org
Chalice Farm and Sustainable Living Center, 748 Montgomery Rd, Sebastopol CA
95472
415-731-7924 - 415-509-1188 chalicenew at earthlink.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <dantonioli at earthlink.net>
To: "'Peter Stone'" <stonepub at mac.com>; "'Mary Bull - Greenwood Earth
Alliance'" <chalicenew at earthlink.net>
Cc: <greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 8:01 PM
Subject: RE: [Greenbuilding] Searching for "Green" window options

> Peter,
>
> The FSC is not a "lie," but it is flawed. Biodiesel is not a perfect fuel
or
> a panacea to our energy crisis, but it's better than burning regular
diesel.
>
>
> I wonder what kind of fuel Mary burns in her car.
>
> Given your location and circumstances, FSC wood windows would be a good
> choice. Even better, fiberglass would be much more durable and lasting and
> require no maintenance, and you can get them with a wood interior finish.
> Fiberglass is often touted as "green" in the sense that its manufacturing
is
> "relatively" benign, doesn't come anywhere close to PVC for the evil
rating,
> and will outlast most windows. Aluminum isn't a bad way to go because most
> of it is recycled, but even the recycling process with aluminum requires a
> lot of energy....and if it has new aluminum then it's using one of the
most
> highly embodied energy materials on the planet.
>
> Wood rots quickly in Hawaii, so think through the issues with wooden
> windows.
>
> Dan Antonioli
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: greenbuilding-bounces at listserv.repp.org
> [mailto:greenbuilding-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of Peter Stone
> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 12:57 PM
> To: Mary Bull - Greenwood Earth Alliance
> Cc: greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org
> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Searching for "Green" window options
>
> Mary,
>
> Thanks for the info. I am most interested to learn more of the FSC lie as
I
> was planning to at least use FSC certified wood in my project.
>
> As for your window suggestions, I am in Hawaii and we do not have a large
> manufacturing base here (tourism is us) so not much chance of finding a
> local window / door builder here.
>
> THanks,
>
> Peter
>
>
> On Sep 8, 2006, at 10:50 AM, Mary Bull - Greenwood Earth Alliance wrote:
>
> > Hi Peter and Everyone!
> >
> > We are discovering that more and more small and medium-sized window
> > and door builders are into making them from previously used or
> > salvaged materials.
> > Don't be timid about asking them! There are also some salvage yards
> > that mill lumber from downed or otherwise removed urban trees--so the
> > wood is new, but not from forests. We are having our windows made by
> > local craftspeople from Doug fir salvaged locally, and costing less
> > than windows made by industrial companies.
> >
> > Also, if you do not already have a design, you can get windows of
> > excellent quality from demolition sales, which are happening all the
> > time, all over the Bay Area, for instance--and design with what you
> > find--for far less than new and with no impact on forests.
> >
> > You cannot, of course, trust FSC or SFI labels--the FSC lie is
> > compounding monthly with a constant influx of reports of terrible
> > certifications (I am on a discussion list and can supply some of the
> > latest travesties if any one is interested). So, reclaimed window or
> > windows made from salvaged wood are your best bet if you care for the
> > environment.
> >
> > Cheers and Good Luck!
> >
> > Mary
> >
> >
> > Mary Bull, Co-director
> > Greenwood Earth Alliance, Save the Redwoods - Boycott the Gap Campaign
> > 252 Frederick, San Francisco, CA 94117 http://www.gapsucks.org Chalice
> > Farm and Sustainable Living Center, 748 Montgomery Rd, Sebastopol CA
> > 95472
> > 415-731-7924 - 415-509-1188 chalicenew at earthlink.net
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Stone" <stonepub at mac.com>
> > To: <greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org>
> > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 12:57 PM
> > Subject: [Greenbuilding] Searching for "Green" window options
> >
> >
> >> Anyone have suggestions for least impact (on the environment that is)
> >> windows?
> >>
> >> Wood seems the only option, but has the disadvantage of being sourced
> >> from who knows where and higher maintenance. I live in tropical high
> >> humidity climate and was wondering what the options are for other,
> >> perhaps reclaimed materials?
> >>
> >> I have ruled out any PVC derivatives for obvious reasons, but what
> >> about Fiberglass? Anyone with more expertise have any thoughts or
> >> suggestions?
> >>
> >> -- Peter
> >>
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