[Greenbuilding] Searching for "Green" window options

Sat Sep 9 11:44:17 CDT 2006

It's always a matter of degree, Kenn, and right now what's going down is
pretty mind-boggling--the ramifications of which are of a severity that we
have never before known in human history.

Mary Bull, Co-director
Greenwood Earth Alliance, Save the Redwoods - Boycott the Gap Campaign
252 Frederick, San Francisco, CA 94117 http://www.gapsucks.org
Chalice Farm and Sustainable Living Center, 748 Montgomery Rd, Sebastopol CA
95472
415-731-7924 - 415-509-1188 chalicenew at earthlink.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "kenn brown " <kenn2536 at centurytel.net>
To: "'Mary Bull - Greenwood Earth Alliance'" <chalicenew at earthlink.net>;
<dantonioli at earthlink.net>; "'Peter Stone'" <stonepub at mac.com>
Cc: <greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: [Greenbuilding] Searching for "Green" window options

> Mary, are you intimating that politicians and bureaucrats may not be
> perfect?? SHAME ON YOU.
> Kenn Brown
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: greenbuilding-bounces at listserv.repp.org
> [mailto:greenbuilding-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of Mary Bull -
> Greenwood Earth Alliance
> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 11:07 AM
> To: dantonioli at earthlink.net; 'Peter Stone'
> Cc: greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org
> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Searching for "Green" window options
>
> Rainforests in Indonesia are being raised to plant palm oil trees to meet
> the EU's demand for biodeisel, and the FSC is about the BIGGEST LIE
> around--.... except maybe for WMDs in Iraq and the link between Osama bin
> Laden and Sadam Hussein--or is that truth, too, Dan? Is the administration
> flawed but basically on the right track?
>
> One example of a recent FSC certification: Tembec 30 million acres
certified
> in Canada: "silvicutlure method" of choice: clearcutting, with no
intention
> of ever changing that, no land set aside for wildlife, and so on--all in
the
> public summary. Norway will not allow FSC to sell their products because
the
> label is a lie.
>
> The FSC was once the wolf in sheep's clothing, but all these industries
and
> their organizations have been emboldened by the flagrant lies and
hypocrisy
> of the Bush Administration, per the Healthy Forests Initiative, for
example,
> or JUST L:AST WEEK, Bush's Agribusiness cronies complained that the small
> grass-fed beef ranchers were cutting into their industrial feed-lot
> business, so Bush decreed that feed-lot beef can now use the "grass fed"
> label... Truth in Advertising (read "The Omnivore's Dilemma" for more
> labeling travesties in the food biz). The FSC bothers less and less to don
> the fleece, just like SFI, ALEC --or any of these industry associations
> thinly masked as something else.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mary
> Mary Bull, Co-director
> Greenwood Earth Alliance, Save the Redwoods - Boycott the Gap Campaign
> 252 Frederick, San Francisco, CA 94117 http://www.gapsucks.org
> Chalice Farm and Sustainable Living Center, 748 Montgomery Rd, Sebastopol
CA
> 95472
> 415-731-7924 - 415-509-1188 chalicenew at earthlink.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <dantonioli at earthlink.net>
> To: "'Peter Stone'" <stonepub at mac.com>; "'Mary Bull - Greenwood Earth
> Alliance'" <chalicenew at earthlink.net>
> Cc: <greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 8:01 PM
> Subject: RE: [Greenbuilding] Searching for "Green" window options
>
>
> > Peter,
> >
> > The FSC is not a "lie," but it is flawed. Biodiesel is not a perfect
fuel
> or
> > a panacea to our energy crisis, but it's better than burning regular
> diesel.
> >
> >
> > I wonder what kind of fuel Mary burns in her car.
> >
> > Given your location and circumstances, FSC wood windows would be a good
> > choice. Even better, fiberglass would be much more durable and lasting
and
> > require no maintenance, and you can get them with a wood interior
finish.
> > Fiberglass is often touted as "green" in the sense that its
manufacturing
> is
> > "relatively" benign, doesn't come anywhere close to PVC for the evil
> rating,
> > and will outlast most windows. Aluminum isn't a bad way to go because
most
> > of it is recycled, but even the recycling process with aluminum requires
a
> > lot of energy....and if it has new aluminum then it's using one of the
> most
> > highly embodied energy materials on the planet.
> >
> > Wood rots quickly in Hawaii, so think through the issues with wooden
> > windows.
> >
> > Dan Antonioli
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: greenbuilding-bounces at listserv.repp.org
> > [mailto:greenbuilding-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of Peter
Stone
> > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 12:57 PM
> > To: Mary Bull - Greenwood Earth Alliance
> > Cc: greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org
> > Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Searching for "Green" window options
> >
> > Mary,
> >
> > Thanks for the info. I am most interested to learn more of the FSC lie
as
> I
> > was planning to at least use FSC certified wood in my project.
> >
> > As for your window suggestions, I am in Hawaii and we do not have a
large
> > manufacturing base here (tourism is us) so not much chance of finding a
> > local window / door builder here.
> >
> > THanks,
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > On Sep 8, 2006, at 10:50 AM, Mary Bull - Greenwood Earth Alliance wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Peter and Everyone!
> > >
> > > We are discovering that more and more small and medium-sized window
> > > and door builders are into making them from previously used or
> > > salvaged materials.
> > > Don't be timid about asking them! There are also some salvage yards
> > > that mill lumber from downed or otherwise removed urban trees--so the
> > > wood is new, but not from forests. We are having our windows made by
> > > local craftspeople from Doug fir salvaged locally, and costing less
> > > than windows made by industrial companies.
> > >
> > > Also, if you do not already have a design, you can get windows of
> > > excellent quality from demolition sales, which are happening all the
> > > time, all over the Bay Area, for instance--and design with what you
> > > find--for far less than new and with no impact on forests.
> > >
> > > You cannot, of course, trust FSC or SFI labels--the FSC lie is
> > > compounding monthly with a constant influx of reports of terrible
> > > certifications (I am on a discussion list and can supply some of the
> > > latest travesties if any one is interested). So, reclaimed window or
> > > windows made from salvaged wood are your best bet if you care for the
> > > environment.
> > >
> > > Cheers and Good Luck!
> > >
> > > Mary
> > >
> > >
> > > Mary Bull, Co-director
> > > Greenwood Earth Alliance, Save the Redwoods - Boycott the Gap Campaign
> > > 252 Frederick, San Francisco, CA 94117 http://www.gapsucks.org Chalice
> > > Farm and Sustainable Living Center, 748 Montgomery Rd, Sebastopol CA
> > > 95472
> > > 415-731-7924 - 415-509-1188 chalicenew at earthlink.net
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Peter Stone" <stonepub at mac.com>
> > > To: <greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 12:57 PM
> > > Subject: [Greenbuilding] Searching for "Green" window options
> > >
> > >
> > >> Anyone have suggestions for least impact (on the environment that is)
> > >> windows?
> > >>
> > >> Wood seems the only option, but has the disadvantage of being sourced
> > >> from who knows where and higher maintenance. I live in tropical high
> > >> humidity climate and was wondering what the options are for other,
> > >> perhaps reclaimed materials?
> > >>
> > >> I have ruled out any PVC derivatives for obvious reasons, but what
> > >> about Fiberglass? Anyone with more expertise have any thoughts or
> > >> suggestions?
> > >>
> > >> -- Peter
> > >>
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