[Greenbuilding] Searching for "Green" window options/FSC

Mon Sep 11 10:35:50 CDT 2006

Yes, and each of us must draw a line in the sand somewhere. Because we live
in an industrialized society that destroys the planet doesn't mean we are
forced to buy into it full throttle.  It is always a matter of degree--and
you would have us buy in 100%, if we cannot reduce to 0%: I'm so sick of
that INANE ARGUMENT!*** WE STILL DO HAVE SOME CHOICES, and when we have a
choice, we should choose the right thing, and in the meantime work toward
more choices that afford us sustainability, democracy, and justice.

Mary Bull, Co-director
Greenwood Earth Alliance, Save the Redwoods - Boycott the Gap Campaign
252 Frederick, San Francisco, CA 94117 http://www.gapsucks.org
Chalice Farm and Sustainable Living Center, 748 Montgomery Rd, Sebastopol CA
95472
415-731-7924 - 415-509-1188 chalicenew at earthlink.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George J. Nesbitt" <geoedb at idiom.com>
To: "Greenbuilder list" <greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Searching for "Green" window options/FSC

> Those that live in glass houses shouldn't cast stones.
> And.
> We all live in glass houses.
> We all support things we don't like.
> Life is a compromise.
> We are all part of the problem, and part of the solution.
>
>
> dantonioli at earthlink.net wrote:
>
> >There are lot's of FSC certified forest operations that meet the intended
> >standards of the FSC. Collins Pine is probably the most referred to
example.
> >Earthsource in Oakland sells a lot of FSC wood, and the owner often
visits
> >the sites where the wood that they're buying comes from to make sure that
> >the standards are being met.
> >
> >Slamming the FSC, as you always do, doesn't do justice to companies that
are
> >practicing sustainable forestry. And to make the connection between the
FSC
> >and corporations and Bush is just plain silly! Should people stop buying
> >grass fed beef if they know that the source they get it from is
legitimate,
> >local, and certified "grass fed?"
> >
> >You're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. And, more importantly,
> >you're not a builder who has to face these issues. Plus, you're a stellar
> >example of an activist who picks a few issues to harp one while
committing
> >the same acts in other areas....such as driving a car, using a computer,
and
> >accessing energy from the grid to power your home! Your issues a few
months
> >back about wood burning were a good example of how you were discouraging
the
> >use of wood burning because you believed that forests were being logged
the
> >wrong way. Ironically, you turn instead to powering your home with
> >non-renewable, carbon emitting, and unsustainable energy! Does is make
you
> >feel better to know that your "saving forests" when you heat your home
with
> >energy that comes from dirty coal burning power plants in Mexico. Can you
> >spell "environmental racism?" Is that your alternative?
> >
> >If someone wants to buy windows, and you know that they're going to buy
> >windows, and your proposed alternative won't work, then what do you
suggest?
> >What you don't seem to comprehend on this issue is that that person is
going
> >to buy the windows. Your suggestion is a good one and it's one that I use
as
> >much as I can, but it simply won't work for most people in most building
> >situations; hence the need for an "alternative." And non-wood windows are
> >full of the same problems you address with corporations.
> >
> >And if you're buying any pvc products whatsoever you should watch Blue
> >Vinyl.
> >
> >Also, since renovating your home, you should consider where the hardware
> >comes from. Are you buying nails and screws that are made with union
labor
> >or from Chinese and Indonesian sweatshops? That would be a good issue for
> >you to spend some time on.
> >
> >Dan
> >
> >P.S. You never did tell us what kind of fuel you're using in your car.
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Mary Bull - Greenwood Earth Alliance
[mailto:chalicenew at earthlink.net]
> >Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 8:07 AM
> >To: dantonioli at earthlink.net; 'Peter Stone'
> >Cc: greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org
> >Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Searching for "Green" window options
> >
> >Rainforests in Indonesia are being raised to plant palm oil trees to meet
> >the EU's demand for biodeisel, and the FSC is about the BIGGEST LIE
> >around--.... except maybe for WMDs in Iraq and the link between Osama bin
> >Laden and Sadam Hussein--or is that truth, too, Dan? Is the
administration
> >flawed but basically on the right track?
> >
> >One example of a recent FSC certification: Tembec 30 million acres
certified
> >in Canada: "silvicutlure method" of choice: clearcutting, with no
intention
> >of ever changing that, no land set aside for wildlife, and so on--all in
the
> >public summary. Norway will not allow FSC to sell their products because
the
> >label is a lie.
> >
> >The FSC was once the wolf in sheep's clothing, but all these industries
and
> >their organizations have been emboldened by the flagrant lies and
hypocrisy
> >of the Bush Administration, per the Healthy Forests Initiative, for
example,
> >or JUST L:AST WEEK, Bush's Agribusiness cronies complained that the small
> >grass-fed beef ranchers were cutting into their industrial feed-lot
> >business, so Bush decreed that feed-lot beef can now use the "grass fed"
> >label... Truth in Advertising (read "The Omnivore's Dilemma" for more
> >labeling travesties in the food biz). The FSC bothers less and less to
don
> >the fleece, just like SFI, ALEC --or any of these industry associations
> >thinly masked as something else.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Mary
> >Mary Bull, Co-director
> >Greenwood Earth Alliance, Save the Redwoods - Boycott the Gap Campaign
> >252 Frederick, San Francisco, CA 94117 http://www.gapsucks.org Chalice
Farm
> >and Sustainable Living Center, 748 Montgomery Rd, Sebastopol CA
> >95472
> >415-731-7924 - 415-509-1188 chalicenew at earthlink.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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