[Greenbuilding] "Green" wall coverings
JAY WALSH
jaywalsh at usa.net
Wed Dec 12 22:47:11 EST 2007
How about vinyl wallpaper made from old billboards. It could make for some
very interesting imagery. While most billboards are printed on paper for a one
time use, others are produced on a vinyl so it can be relocated or reused
seasonally. Eventually they get damaged or no longer fit the intended use. Any
local billboard company can give you additional info on the products they use.
They are not glued to the billboard but stretched over it. So for your reuse
as wallpaper it should be a clean surface to start with. And when you're ready
to remodel, it should peal right off in big sheets.
While this is not the greenest of products, it is a reuse of a product that
would be discarded anyway.
Good luck
From: Dan Antonioli <dantonioli at earthlink.net>
I'm working on a commercial cafe that is being built in two phases.
The owner is cash-strapped and wants to open up a "lean and mean"
phase one version that will later be replaced by a much larger and
greener version. Unfortunately, this means that a lot of what goes
into phase one will be ripped out in about a year.
A significant section of wall covering is speced to have ceramic
tile. The designer and I are suggesting that we don't use tile and
instead a simpler, less embodied energy surface that will meet the
minimum health code requirement of a wipeable surface. The designer
is suggesting FRP, which is plastic, and I'm suggesting linoleum or
some such "green" material.
Any suggestions on wall coverings that would meet that requirement?
The walls will be sheetrock over metal framing. We need something in
the kitchen over the sheetrock to meet code.
Dan Antonioli
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> 1. Windows, Doors and Skylights (Stephen Collette)
> 2. "Green" wall coverings for commercial kitchens/cafes
> (Dan Antonioli)
> 3. re: "Green" wall coverings for commercial kitchens/cafes
> (Robert W. Tom)
> 4. Refrigerator cabinet? (Speireag Alden)
> 5. Re: "Green" wall coverings for commercialkitchens/cafes
> (Tom Young)
> 6. Re: Refrigerator cabinet? (Reuben Deumling)
> 7. Re: Refrigerator cabinet? (Bob Korves)
> 8. Re: Refrigerator cabinet? (Speireag Alden)
> 9. Re: Refrigerator cabinet? (Speireag Alden)
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> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:17:50 -0500
> From: Stephen Collette <stephen at yourhealthyhouse.ca>
> Subject: [Greenbuilding] Windows, Doors and Skylights
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> Corwyn and all
>
> This link is the Natural Resources Canada website for windows and
> doors. They have heaps of information, mostly on the Energy Star
> windows, but you may find much of the info that you are looking for,
> hopefully.
>
> http://www.oee.nrcan.gc.ca/residential/personal/windows-doors.cfm?attr=4
>
> Stephen
>
> Stephen Collette BBEC, LEED AP
> Principal
> Your Healthy House - Indoor Environmental Testing & Building Consulting
> www.yourhealthyhouse.ca
> stephen at yourhealthyhouse.ca
> 705.652.5159
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:31:29 -0800
> From: Dan Antonioli <dantonioli at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [Greenbuilding] "Green" wall coverings for commercial
> kitchens/cafes
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> I'm working on a commercial cafe that is being built in two phases.
> The owner is cash-strapped and wants to open up a "lean and mean"
> phase one version that will later be replaced by a much larger and
> greener version. Unfortunately, this means that a lot of what goes
> into phase one will be ripped out in about a year.
>
> A significant section of wall covering is speced to have ceramic
> tile. The designer and I are suggesting that we don't use tile and
> instead a simpler, less embodied energy surface that will meet the
> minimum health code requirement of a wipeable surface. The designer
> is suggesting FRP, which is plastic, and I'm suggesting linoleum or
> some such "green" material.
>
> Any suggestions on wall coverings that would meet that requirement?
> The walls will be sheetrock over metal framing. We need something in
> the kitchen over the sheetrock to meet code.
>
> Dan Antonioli
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:20:04 -0500
> From: "Robert W. Tom" <ArchiLogic at yahoo.ca>
> Subject: [Greenbuilding] re: "Green" wall coverings for commercial
> kitchens/cafes
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> 12/12/07 12:31:29 PM, Dan Antonioli <dantonioli at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> >phase one version that will later be replaced by a much larger and
> >greener version. Unfortunately, this means that a lot of what goes
> >into phase one will be ripped out in about a year.
>
> Flogging the reliable old dog again... how about diverted from the
> wastestream glass ? In particular, patio door IGUs, separated to
> yield two large sheets of tempered glass (ie unsmashable by jamfaces
> and wine-saturated clientelle) each ?
>
> Artwork could be mounted on the wall surface underneath the glass if
> the substrate is ugly, or even if it isn't, perhaps providing a venue for
> local artists to display (and sell ?) their work.
>
> Or, what about tile, salvaged again, but designed as a mosaic that will
> utilise a mongrel dog's breakfast collection of mismatched, otherwise
> uncool tile styles.
>
> To facilitate deconstruction and re-use later when the cafe is enlarged,
> perhaps the tile mosaics could be configured as demountable panels.
> To keep labour costs down, budding artists looking to showcase their
> skills might be commissioned to create the mosaic panels, in the
> comfort of their own studios if desired.
>
> Or if the above are deemed too ambitious, how about sheet steel or
> copper ? Quick, re-usable.
>
> Or mirror, salvaged of course.
>
> Or slate chalkboards, salvaged, decorated by local artists.
>
> Linoleum schinoleum.
>
> --- * ---
> Rob Tom
> Kanata, Ontario, Canada
> <ArchiLogic at CHAFFyahoo.ca>
> (winnow the "chaff" from my edress in your reply)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:53:40 -0500
> From: Speireag Alden <speireag at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Greenbuilding] Refrigerator cabinet?
> To: greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org
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> Hello, all.
>
> Eventually, I will be attempting to use an annual cold storage
> system for my family's refrigeration needs. This will require an air-
> tight cabinet with an insulated, gasketed door. The interior volume
> will have to be pretty large, to contain a bunch of water-filled 2-
> liter soda bottles, and also the family food. Ideally, it would have
> a double door: one large, insulated door, and one see-through door
> of plexiglas or somesuch. That way, people could open the door,
> acquire the target by sight, and then spill as little air as possible
> while actually getting the food out.
>
> I am not a fine cabinet maker. I can insulate thickly around
> the outsides of the thing, but the learning curve and expense of
> building an air-tight double door is daunting.
>
> Frankly, just the door system would probably be enough; I can
> graft that on to the front of a built-in-place air-tight cabinet, if
> need be, though a more complete solution would be better.
>
> Does anyone know of anything which could be adapted to my needs?
>
> -Speireag.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:09:29 -0500
> From: "Tom Young" <tomyoung at metrocast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] "Green" wall coverings for
> commercialkitchens/cafes
> To: <ArchiLogic at CHAFFyahoo.ca>, "Greenbuilding Discussion List"
> <greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org>
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> ALL --
>
> There is a wonderful fine art photographer who produces his work on treeless
> paper. He's also doing some interesting stuff with large wall collages.
> His work is just beginning to catch on so he will probably be affordable and
> possibly willing to negotiate.
>
> Check out www.seymourkaplan.com.
>
> Tell him Sandi and Tom sent you.
>
> Sandi
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert W. Tom" <ArchiLogic at yahoo.ca>
> To: "Greenbuilding Discussion List" <greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:20 PM
> Subject: [Greenbuilding] re: "Green" wall coverings for
> commercialkitchens/cafes
>
>
> > 12/12/07 12:31:29 PM, Dan Antonioli <dantonioli at earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>phase one version that will later be replaced by a much larger and
> >>greener version. Unfortunately, this means that a lot of what goes
> >>into phase one will be ripped out in about a year.
> >
> > Flogging the reliable old dog again... how about diverted from the
> > wastestream glass ? In particular, patio door IGUs, separated to
> > yield two large sheets of tempered glass (ie unsmashable by jamfaces
> > and wine-saturated clientelle) each ?
> >
> > Artwork could be mounted on the wall surface underneath the glass if
> > the substrate is ugly, or even if it isn't, perhaps providing a venue for
> > local artists to display (and sell ?) their work.
> >
> > Or, what about tile, salvaged again, but designed as a mosaic that will
> > utilise a mongrel dog's breakfast collection of mismatched, otherwise
> > uncool tile styles.
> >
> > To facilitate deconstruction and re-use later when the cafe is enlarged,
> > perhaps the tile mosaics could be configured as demountable panels.
> > To keep labour costs down, budding artists looking to showcase their
> > skills might be commissioned to create the mosaic panels, in the
> > comfort of their own studios if desired.
> >
> > Or if the above are deemed too ambitious, how about sheet steel or
> > copper ? Quick, re-usable.
> >
> > Or mirror, salvaged of course.
> >
> > Or slate chalkboards, salvaged, decorated by local artists.
> >
> > Linoleum schinoleum.
> >
> > --- * ---
> > Rob Tom
> > Kanata, Ontario, Canada
> > <ArchiLogic at CHAFFyahoo.ca>
> > (winnow the "chaff" from my edress in your reply)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:55:37 -0800
> From: "Reuben Deumling" <9watts at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Refrigerator cabinet?
> To: "Speireag Alden" <speireag at gmail.com>
> Cc: greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org
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> Don't miss this effort!
> http://fourmileisland.com/IceBox.htm
>
> very nifty, even if the font choices are a bit loud for my tastes.
>
> Reuben Deumling
>
> On Dec 12, 2007 8:53 AM, Speireag Alden <speireag at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello, all.
> >
> > Eventually, I will be attempting to use an annual cold storage
> > system for my family's refrigeration needs. This will require an air-
> > tight cabinet with an insulated, gasketed door. The interior volume
> > will have to be pretty large, to contain a bunch of water-filled 2-
> > liter soda bottles, and also the family food. Ideally, it would have
> > a double door: one large, insulated door, and one see-through door
> > of plexiglas or somesuch. That way, people could open the door,
> > acquire the target by sight, and then spill as little air as possible
> > while actually getting the food out.
> >
> > I am not a fine cabinet maker. I can insulate thickly around
> > the outsides of the thing, but the learning curve and expense of
> > building an air-tight double door is daunting.
> >
> > Frankly, just the door system would probably be enough; I can
> > graft that on to the front of a built-in-place air-tight cabinet, if
> > need be, though a more complete solution would be better.
> >
> > Does anyone know of anything which could be adapted to my needs?
> >
> > -Speireag.
> >
> >
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:24:39 -0800
> From: "Bob Korves" <bkorves at winfirst.com>
> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Refrigerator cabinet?
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Reuben Deumling" <9watts at gmail.com>
> To: "Speireag Alden" <speireag at gmail.com>
> Cc: <greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 2:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Refrigerator cabinet?
>
>
> > Don't miss this effort!
> > http://fourmileisland.com/IceBox.htm
>
>
> Maybe a bit off subject, but I can't resist...
>
> In the book "Ceramic Houses and Earth Architecture -- How to Build Your Own"
> by Nader Khalili is a description of a system for storing ice for year
> around use in the Iranian desert for a whole village. A tall cob/adobe wall
> is built on a east west line. A shallow pond is built on the north side of
> the wall. A couple doorways are built in the middle of the wall and a ramp
> is built on a shallow angle from the doorway into the pond, The threshold
> of the doorway is only an inch or two above the water level in the pond. On
> the south side of the wall is a large, insulated, underground storage room
> for storing ice. When the ice freezes to a useful thickness it is broken
> into pieces that will slide up the ramp, through the door, and down a ramp
> into the storage room. Huge quantities of ice can be stored in this manner
> with very little labor required.
>
> The rest of the book is also fascinating. Khalili makes adobe houses and
> then fires them to ceramic from inside, like a pottery kiln, only the kiln
> becomes the house after firing. More items are fired inside the house at
> the same time, as a kiln. He has photos of a large ten room elementary
> school building and administration wing that he built in Iran, completely of
> adobe, roof and all, no wood or steel or concrete or other structural
> materials used at all. Amazingly, the school was built by one man and his
> young son making the adobes and one mason with a part time helper erecting
> the building. Nubian vaults and squinch and pendentive domes were the roof
> of choice. The building complex was made with one wheelbarrow, one shovel,
> several buckets and drums and nothing else for tools, not even a trowel.
> They are made only with local mud, local labor, and fired with local oil,
> one room at a time. About one year of actual building time was required,
> longer start to finish due to war. Fascinating stuff, and totally green,
> except the oil burning...
>
> http://www.dirtcheapbuilder.com/cehoandeaar.html
> -Bob Korves
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:05:54 -0500
> From: Speireag Alden <speireag at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Refrigerator cabinet?
> To: greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org
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>
> On 2007, Dec 12, at 17:55, Reuben Deumling wrote:
>
> > Don't miss this effort!
> > http://fourmileisland.com/IceBox.htm
>
> Ah, thank you. That is very similar to what I have in mind,
> though more complex.
>
> I'm writing to the author to ask how he fabricated his cabinet.
>
> -Speireag.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:08:32 -0500
> From: Speireag Alden <speireag at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Refrigerator cabinet?
> To: greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org
> Message-ID: <8D8BBACB-8AE1-4A75-8227-AAF379BE4081 at gmail.com>
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>
> On 2007, Dec 12, at 19:29, Clarke Olsen wrote:
>
> > The first thing that comes to mind is..... a failed fridge! You
> > could remove the works
> > without loosing the refrigerant, cut the back off and... A side
> > by side would be ideal.
>
> It would have to be pretty big, to contain all the ice, but yes,
> that might work. Or perhaps I could use a commercial fridge. Hm...
>
> The inner/outer door set-up is probably the hardest part, and
> not strictly necessary.
>
> -Speireag.
>
>
>
>
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