[Greenbuilding] [BULK] Bamboo...how about hemp
Tim Vireo Keating
t.keating at rainforestrelief.org
Thu Feb 15 13:51:44 CST 2007
Yes, there's another company in the Northwest, whose name escapes me
at the moment, that has a product like you describe. We got a sample
once, but it's buried in our storage unit. Ah, I think it's Agriboard
Industries. Yes, see:
http://www.agriboard.com/Agriboard%20Images/Agri-Panel%20Brochure.pdf
tim keating
>Environ's product page didn't really have anything
>similar to durra wall. durra wall is used for
>interial walls, replacing wood framing and sheetrock
>(although joints need to be taped, and are tapered for
>this).
>It is paper faced and ~2.25" thick, unlike any of the
>products I saw.
>
>Thanks anyway, it seems like Environ has some good
>products that could be used to make the kitchen
>cabinets on our current project.
>
>--- Tim Vireo Keating <t.keating at rainforestrelief.org>
>wrote:
>
>> I've not heard of any of those issues with Environ's
>> products. They
>> have a sunflower-seed-husk-based sheet that's really
>> nice ("Dakota
>> Burl"). Bettencourt GBS carries it in the NYC area.
>>
>> tim keating
>>
>> >an example of wheat and rice straw use
>> >http://www.durra.com/green/green.php
>> >
>> >pretty decent product,
>> >
>> >I'm sure the site lists the pros of the product,
>> >
>> >so here are some of the cons we observed;
>> >
>> >heavy as all get out (2.25"x4'x10' sheet was
>> >guestimated at 250lbs.),
>> >
>> >vertical runs in it for electric that we didn't use
>> >seemed like they would be hard to run line in,
>> >
>> >required extra bracing wherever we could for long
>> runs
>> >(ie stiffening framing in perpendicular walls with
>> >diag bracing), long runs with no perpendicular
>> walls
>> >were doubled up with firring glued in between.
>> >
>> >after paint the wall had a somewhat textured
>> >appearance
>> >and I happen to be allergic to the dust created
>> from
>> >cutting
>> >
>> >tom
>> >
>> >--- Tim Vireo Keating
>> ><t.keating at rainforestrelief.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Actually, we've opposed the use of hemp for
>> paper
>> >> for the sole reason
>> >> that those promoting its use are often talking
>> of
>> >> planting the hemp
>> >> as an "on-purpose" crop specifically for
>> production
>> >> of paper or
>> >> building products. There's something on the
>> order of
>> >> 200 million tons
>> >> of agricultural residue already generated in the
>> US
>> >> that would make
>> >> excellent paper (a small amount of bagasse -
>> sugar
>> >> cane stems - is
>> >> used in the south). In fact, back a few years
>> when I
>> >> looked into it
>> >> (1995?), ag-res was the fastest growing sector
>> of
>> >> the paper industry
>> >> globally. The US uses little of it and growth is
>> >> stagnant. Brazil,
>> >> India, China and many other countries are
>> utilizing
>> >> large amounts of
>> >> ag-res for paper production and the use is on
>> the
>> >> rise. There's
>> >> simply no reason to grow crops (or trees)
>> >> specifically for paper.
>> >>
>> >> That said, hemp can and should be grown for
>> seeds,
>> >> as the oil is
>> >> superior for both food and industrial uses. Then
>> the
>> >> stalk becomes
>> >> ag-res.
>> >>
>> >> The same is true for kenaf. Given the amount of
>> >> ag-res already
>> >> generated in the US (and often burned), it makes
>> >> little sense to grow
>> >> crops for fiber-based building materials where
>> the
>> >> fibers are going
>> >> to be chipped or ground up in some way (like
>> MDF).
>> >> Wheat straw, rise
>> >> straw, etc. - these can all be made into
>> excellent
>> >> boards.
>> >>
>> >> tim keating
>> >>
>> >> At 10:52 AM -0600 2/9/07, Lawrence Lile wrote:
>> >> >Yeah, except for the baggage.....
>> >> >
>> >> >"Yup, I'm doin' 10-20 for having a rope farm."
>> >> >
>> >> >Industrial hemp would be an ideal crop to make
>> >> paper out of, if our
>> >> >nation's laws were written rationally instead
>> of in
>> >> response to
>> >> >hysteria.
>> >> >
>> >> >Lawrence Lile, P.E., LEED AP
>> >> >
>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >From: greenbuilding-bounces at listserv.repp.org
> > >>
>> >[mailto:greenbuilding-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On
>> >> Behalf Of Ken Beiser
>> >> >Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:18 AM
>> >> >To: Greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org
>> >> >Subject: [BULK] [Greenbuilding] Bamboo...how
>> about
>> >> hemp
>> >> >Importance: Low
>> >> >
>> >> >Isn't industrial hemp going to be a greener
>> >> approach than even bamboo?
>> >> >
>> >> >Ken
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