[Greenbuilding] Water heaters( Marathon or standard electric)

[Dr. C.F. Vasile]

Elizabeth: It's not my co-op, we are blessed with one of the most corrupt 
utilities in the nation, if not the world, the infamous LIPA (f/k/a LILCO 
that was convicted of RICO and tagged with a 1.8 billion dollar Judgment). 
But that's what co-ops and corrupt Utility managers do. They also blocked my 
invention (GFX, www.gfxtechnology.com)
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elizabeth Seiler" <juniper at toast.net>
To: "Carmine Vasile" <gfx-ch at msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Water heaters( Marathon or standard electric)


> Shame on your co-op for promoting such energy depleting units!!
>
> If you insulate your attic and put your water heaters in there, you won't 
> need to put them inside an insulating box.
>
> The best tankless water heaters are those that run on gas, especially if 
> you plan on incorporating rainwater collection.  We relay solely on 
> rainwater and in the winter, the water gets too cold for regular electric 
> tankless water heaters to heat the water up sufficiently.
>
> To solve our problem, I am going to convert to a solar water heater. 
> Perhaps I'll get the tankless and use it to warm up the water to help the 
> tankless or replace the tankless altogether.
>
> I have some clients that use solar water heating for their whole house and 
> their swimming pool.
>
> Elizabeth McGreevy Seiler
>
>
>
> Carmine Vasile wrote:
>> No; a tankless electric water heater is a much better & greener 
>> investment. See RMI Home Energy Brief #5 @ 
>> http://www.rmi.org/images/other/Energy/E04-15_HEB5WaterHeat.pdf; Table 1 
>> for some comparisons.
>>
>> Why on God's not-so Green Earth would you install a 105 gallon 
>> residential water heater costing $850? Your idea to by a cheap, 
>> inefficient 50-gallon unit every 10 years is precisely what utilities 
>> encourage becaue as they age their dip tubes have been known to 
>> disintigrate, which renders them exceptionally inefficient. Your coop is 
>> probably getting a kick-back for promoting expensive & wasteful tank-type 
>> water heaters. That's what electric utilities do to justify bulding power 
>> plants & LNG terminals to accept LNG from the Mideast!
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: "Tom Wiprud" <wipfamly at hutchtel.net>
>>> To: <greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org>
>>> Subject: [Greenbuilding] Water heaters( Marathon or standard electric)
>>> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:59:00 -0600
>>>
>>> I plan on building a new house soon.  I received the coop newsletter. 
>>> They
>>> had the 105 gallon Marathon, R25  leakproof  water heater for about 
>>> $850.
>>>
>>>    My question is, would this be a good investment at $850, or would I 
>>> be
>>> better off  buying standard electric water heaters,(2 water heaters, 50
>>> gallons each) and insulating them inside a box, and figure on replacing 
>>> them
>>> in 10 years?   What are your opinions or suggestions?    Thanks    Tom
>>>
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