[Greenbuilding] Drain Waste Heat Recovery

[Carmine Vasile]

Dr. John Straube, P. Eng.
Associate Professor
Dept of Civil Engineering & School of Architecture
University of Waterloo
Waterloo, ON Canada

Dear Professor Straube: This Forum is not designed for you or your cronies 
to propagate misinformation. Tom StLouis has disparaged me and marketed 
Power-Pipes on this Forum by passing them off as superior products which 
NRCan disproved, as you may verify in the GB archives and the NRCan report.

In fact, a few years ago I asked the moderator to cut off StLouis for 
repeated transgressions; based on evidence from several lawsuits, but this 
was not done. You started this last round by disparaging my response to 
StLouis' lastest transgression with an email containing misinformation that 
you fail to correct to preserve the integrity of the GB Archives.


>From: John Straube <jfstraub at civmail.uwaterloo.ca>
>Reply-To: jfstraube at uwaterloo.ca
>To: "Dr. C.F. Vasile" <gfx-ch at msn.com>
>CC: John Straube <jfstraube at uwaterloo.ca>,  
>Greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org,  richard6 at gmail.com
>Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Drain Waste Heat Recovery
>Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 23:22:54 -0400
>
>The greenbuilding list is no place for your business problems, nor your 
>sales and personal attacks.
>I hope the moderator cuts you off for these repeated transgressions. In 
>fact, I dont understand why s/he has not a long time ago.
>
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>Dr. C.F. Vasile wrote:
>>Dr. John Straube, P. Eng.
>>Associate Professor
>>Dept of Civil Engineering & School of Architecture
>>University of Waterloo
>>Waterloo, ON Canada
>>
>>Dear Professor Straube: Regarding your comment "I have actually seen the 
>>Renewability factory, and their is nothing trade secret about it that I 
>>can see" --- if you ever saw John Ratzenberger's TV show "Made in America" 
>>you would know many products are made with trade secrets that cannot be 
>>seen.
>>    Additionally, please clarify some comments in your email below:
>>a.    How much is "pretty good efficiency": 20%? 60%? 90%?
>>b.    At what flow rates did your friend measure this efficiency and what 
>>were the corresponding pressure drops?
>>c.    What did you mean to say in this confusing sentence: "Also, low 
>>pressure drop coils are more not necessarily poor heat transfer."?
>>d.    Are you aware this sentence is redundant "There are [U-] factors of 
>>thermal transfer, mass flow rates, roughness inside, area of contact etc." 
>>--- because the effects of "roughness" are automatically accounted for in 
>>a heat exchanger U-factor?
>>
>>Are you also aware:
>>1.    The coil & tube GFX designed in 1986 by DOE consultant Milton Pravda 
>>(http://gfxtechnology.com/Pravda.pdf, Figs 1 & 2) exhibited "pretty good 
>>efficiency" but couldn't meet plumbing codes?
>>2.    Watercycles (http://www.watercycles.ca/watercycles/) developed a 
>>GFX-design similar to Pravda's that meets plumbing codes?
>>3.    We invested our entire $85,000 DOE Grant and five years R&D 
>>developing a trade-secret manufacturing process because in 1986 it wasn't 
>>"Pretty easy to role a squared copper tube onto a DWV copper pipe in a 
>>thermally conductive manner"?
>>4.    The first Power-Pipes were US-made GFX's illegally passed off as 
>>Power-Pipes; as you may verify from the photos and invoices @ 
>>http://www.gfxtechnology.com/Exporting-America.pdf?
>>
>>Finally,
>>i.    When you visited the Renewability factory, were you informed that 
>>multi-coil Power-Pipes made by Doucette not only embodied misappropriated 
>>trade secrets; some had counterfeit UL-labels supplied by Renewability?
>>ii.   Why do you suppose Renewability pirated GFX-testimonials 
>>(http://www.power-pipe.ca/en/testimonials.html) from my Website 
>>(http://gfxtechnology.com/testimonials.html)?
>>iii.  Why doesn't Renewability publish effectiveness measurements like 
>>that posted by their Canadian competition? (See "Test Sheet " links @ 
>>http://www.watercycles.ca/watercycles/content/view/15/30/)
>>
>>Yours truly,
>>==================================================================
>>Dr. Carmine F. Vasile, President & GFX's Inventor
>>WaterFilm Energy Inc.; P.O. Box 128; Medford, NY 11763
>>Tel: 631-758-6271 Fax: 631-730-3918
>>Email: gfx-ch at msn.com  Web: http://www.gfxtechnology.com/
>>==================================================================
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "John Straube" 
>><jfstraub at civmail.uwaterloo.ca>
>>To: "Carmine Vasile" <gfx-ch at msn.com>
>>Cc: <richard6 at gmail.com>; <Greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org>
>>Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 2:39 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Drain Waste Heat Recovery
>><snipped>
>>I have actually seen the Renewability factory, and their is nothing trade
>>secret about it that I can see. Pretty easy to role a squared copper tube
>>onto a DWV copper pipe in a thermally conductive manner. In fact, one of
>>best friends actually made his own and has measured pretty good 
>>efficiency.
>>It is simply easier to buy a product.
>>Also, low pressure drop coils are more not necessarily poor heat transfer.
>>There are factors of thermal transfer, mass flow rates, roughness inside, 
>>area of contact etc.
>><snipped>
>>Dr John Straube, P.Eng.
>>Associate Professor
>>Dept of Civil Engineering & School of Architecture
>>University of Waterloo
>>Waterloo, ON Canada
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>Dr John Straube, P.Eng.
>Associate Professor
>Dept of Civil Engineering & School of Architecture
>University of Waterloo
>Waterloo, ON Canada