[Greenbuilding] Drain Waste Heat Recovery

[John Straube]

moderator? Can we stop the blatant advertising? Cant you help us?


Carmine Vasile wrote:
> Dr. John Straube, P. Eng.
> Associate Professor
> Dept of Civil Engineering & School of Architecture
> University of Waterloo
> Waterloo, ON Canada
> 
> Dear Professor Straube: This Forum is not designed for you or your 
> cronies to propagate misinformation. Tom StLouis has disparaged me and 
> marketed Power-Pipes on this Forum by passing them off as superior 
> products which NRCan disproved, as you may verify in the GB archives and 
> the NRCan report.
> 
> In fact, a few years ago I asked the moderator to cut off StLouis for 
> repeated transgressions; based on evidence from several lawsuits, but 
> this was not done. You started this last round by disparaging my 
> response to StLouis' lastest transgression with an email containing 
> misinformation that you fail to correct to preserve the integrity of the 
> GB Archives.
> 
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>> From: John Straube <jfstraub at civmail.uwaterloo.ca>
>> Reply-To: jfstraube at uwaterloo.ca
>> To: "Dr. C.F. Vasile" <gfx-ch at msn.com>
>> CC: John Straube <jfstraube at uwaterloo.ca>,  
>> Greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org,  richard6 at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Drain Waste Heat Recovery
>> Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 23:22:54 -0400
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>> The greenbuilding list is no place for your business problems, nor 
>> your sales and personal attacks.
>> I hope the moderator cuts you off for these repeated transgressions. 
>> In fact, I dont understand why s/he has not a long time ago.
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>> Dr. C.F. Vasile wrote:
>>> Dr. John Straube, P. Eng.
>>> Associate Professor
>>> Dept of Civil Engineering & School of Architecture
>>> University of Waterloo
>>> Waterloo, ON Canada
>>>
>>> Dear Professor Straube: Regarding your comment "I have actually seen 
>>> the Renewability factory, and their is nothing trade secret about it 
>>> that I can see" --- if you ever saw John Ratzenberger's TV show "Made 
>>> in America" you would know many products are made with trade secrets 
>>> that cannot be seen.
>>>    Additionally, please clarify some comments in your email below:
>>> a.    How much is "pretty good efficiency": 20%? 60%? 90%?
>>> b.    At what flow rates did your friend measure this efficiency and 
>>> what were the corresponding pressure drops?
>>> c.    What did you mean to say in this confusing sentence: "Also, low 
>>> pressure drop coils are more not necessarily poor heat transfer."?
>>> d.    Are you aware this sentence is redundant "There are [U-] 
>>> factors of thermal transfer, mass flow rates, roughness inside, area 
>>> of contact etc." --- because the effects of "roughness" are 
>>> automatically accounted for in a heat exchanger U-factor?
>>>
>>> Are you also aware:
>>> 1.    The coil & tube GFX designed in 1986 by DOE consultant Milton 
>>> Pravda (http://gfxtechnology.com/Pravda.pdf, Figs 1 & 2) exhibited 
>>> "pretty good efficiency" but couldn't meet plumbing codes?
>>> 2.    Watercycles (http://www.watercycles.ca/watercycles/) developed 
>>> a GFX-design similar to Pravda's that meets plumbing codes?
>>> 3.    We invested our entire $85,000 DOE Grant and five years R&D 
>>> developing a trade-secret manufacturing process because in 1986 it 
>>> wasn't "Pretty easy to role a squared copper tube onto a DWV copper 
>>> pipe in a thermally conductive manner"?
>>> 4.    The first Power-Pipes were US-made GFX's illegally passed off 
>>> as Power-Pipes; as you may verify from the photos and invoices @ 
>>> http://www.gfxtechnology.com/Exporting-America.pdf?
>>>
>>> Finally,
>>> i.    When you visited the Renewability factory, were you informed 
>>> that multi-coil Power-Pipes made by Doucette not only embodied 
>>> misappropriated trade secrets; some had counterfeit UL-labels 
>>> supplied by Renewability?
>>> ii.   Why do you suppose Renewability pirated GFX-testimonials 
>>> (http://www.power-pipe.ca/en/testimonials.html) from my Website 
>>> (http://gfxtechnology.com/testimonials.html)?
>>> iii.  Why doesn't Renewability publish effectiveness measurements 
>>> like that posted by their Canadian competition? (See "Test Sheet " 
>>> links @ http://www.watercycles.ca/watercycles/content/view/15/30/)
>>>
>>> Yours truly,
>>> ==================================================================
>>> Dr. Carmine F. Vasile, President & GFX's Inventor
>>> WaterFilm Energy Inc.; P.O. Box 128; Medford, NY 11763
>>> Tel: 631-758-6271 Fax: 631-730-3918
>>> Email: gfx-ch at msn.com  Web: http://www.gfxtechnology.com/
>>> ==================================================================
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Straube" 
>>> <jfstraub at civmail.uwaterloo.ca>
>>> To: "Carmine Vasile" <gfx-ch at msn.com>
>>> Cc: <richard6 at gmail.com>; <Greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 2:39 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Drain Waste Heat Recovery
>>> <snipped>
>>> I have actually seen the Renewability factory, and their is nothing 
>>> trade
>>> secret about it that I can see. Pretty easy to role a squared copper 
>>> tube
>>> onto a DWV copper pipe in a thermally conductive manner. In fact, one of
>>> best friends actually made his own and has measured pretty good 
>>> efficiency.
>>> It is simply easier to buy a product.
>>> Also, low pressure drop coils are more not necessarily poor heat 
>>> transfer.
>>> There are factors of thermal transfer, mass flow rates, roughness 
>>> inside, area of contact etc.
>>> <snipped>
>>> Dr John Straube, P.Eng.
>>> Associate Professor
>>> Dept of Civil Engineering & School of Architecture
>>> University of Waterloo
>>> Waterloo, ON Canada
>>>
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>> -- 
>> Dr John Straube, P.Eng.
>> Associate Professor
>> Dept of Civil Engineering & School of Architecture
>> University of Waterloo
>> Waterloo, ON Canada
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Dr John Straube, P.Eng.
Associate Professor
Dept of Civil Engineering & School of Architecture
University of Waterloo
Waterloo, ON Canada