[Greenbuilding] Using trees felled onsite in building process

Tue Sep 18 11:06:43 EDT 2007

Blyth,

I am in Berlin, Md., just south of you. I have recovered trees from many of 
our jobsites and used them for both those particualr projects and also 
stored the lumber for later uses. I may be able to help you.

Ron Cascio
Chestnut Creek
Design/Build/Consult/Develop
Maryland's Eastern Shore
443-235-0818

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Blyth McManus" <blythmcmanus at gmail.com>
To: <greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 7:15 AM
Subject: [Greenbuilding] Using trees felled onsite in building process

>I am working on plans for a simple stick built A-frame home on a
> partially wooded property and want to use any trees that may need to
> be felled during the site work in the building itself.  (Not a lot of
> trees.)  Information resources or personal experiences would be
> greatly appreciated as I have questions such as how long the wood
> would need to be aged, etc.
>
> Thanks.
> Blyth
>
> AerieDesign.net
>
>
>
>
>
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>> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:46:19 -0700
>> From: "Mike Forbes" <biodieselmike at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Greenbuilding] SIP and Drainback Solar Hot Water system
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>> Hi all,
>> I'm just finally sitting down with a beer after installing the roof 
>> portion
>> of my drainback system. I have a question regarding melting points and am
>> hoping someone might have an opinion on this.
>>
>> What i have:
>>
>> 12" SIP roof (EPS foam) w/ metal roofing
>> 128 sq. ft flat plate collectors (4 - Sunearth EP-32's)
>> approx 30' of 3/4 copper run to storage tank
>> Armacell pipe insulation everywhere except where it penetrates the roof.
>>
>> What i'm wondering:
>>
>> as i was making the roof penetration I started thinking about the temps 
>> the
>> pipe would expect and what that would do to the EPS foam in the SIP.
>> Looking at the MSDS on EPS foam it begins to soften at 175-220 degF for 
>> most
>> of the SIP manufacturers out there.
>>
>> What I did:
>>
>> Drilled a 2" hole through the roof.
>> Made a copper pipe insulator to hold the 3/4 copper in the center of the
>> hole
>> Used a silicone boot to seal the hole from the weather along with the 
>> smelly
>> sealant...
>> There is approx 1/2"-5/8" airspace around the copper pipe going through 
>> the
>> SIP.
>>
>> What should I do:
>>
>> a) nothing, the airspace will keep the EPS from getting too hot
>> b) put Armacell (230 degF working temp) around the 3/4 pipe in the SIP
>> c) something else, suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks a bunch,
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 23:05:57 -0400
>> From: Keith Winston <keith at earthsunenergy.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] SIP and Drainback Solar Hot Water system
>> To: Greenbuilder list <greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org>
>> Message-ID: <46EDEF15.5060502 at earthsunenergy.com>
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>> If it's easy you could add the Armacell, but I think the airspace would
>> suffice, as long as the copper is no actually incontact with the EPS.
>> These are flat plate collectors, after all.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>> Mike Forbes wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> > I'm just finally sitting down with a beer after installing the roof 
>> > portion
>> > of my drainback system. I have a question regarding melting points and 
>> > am
>> > hoping someone might have an opinion on this.
>> >
>> > What i have:
>> >
>> > 12" SIP roof (EPS foam) w/ metal roofing
>> > 128 sq. ft flat plate collectors (4 - Sunearth EP-32's)
>> > approx 30' of 3/4 copper run to storage tank
>> > Armacell pipe insulation everywhere except where it penetrates the 
>> > roof.
>> >
>> > What i'm wondering:
>> >
>> > as i was making the roof penetration I started thinking about the temps 
>> > the
>> > pipe would expect and what that would do to the EPS foam in the SIP.
>> > Looking at the MSDS on EPS foam it begins to soften at 175-220 degF for 
>> > most
>> > of the SIP manufacturers out there.
>> >
>> > What I did:
>> >
>> > Drilled a 2" hole through the roof.
>> > Made a copper pipe insulator to hold the 3/4 copper in the center of 
>> > the
>> > hole
>> > Used a silicone boot to seal the hole from the weather along with the 
>> > smelly
>> > sealant...
>> > There is approx 1/2"-5/8" airspace around the copper pipe going through 
>> > the
>> > SIP.
>> >
>> > What should I do:
>> >
>> > a) nothing, the airspace will keep the EPS from getting too hot
>> > b) put Armacell (230 degF working temp) around the 3/4 pipe in the SIP
>> > c) something else, suggestions?
>> >
>> > Thanks a bunch,
>> > Mike
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:09:10 -0500
>> From: "wmdorsett at sbcglobal.net" <wmdorsett at sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] SIP and Drainback Solar Hot Water system
>> To: Mike Forbes <biodieselmike at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org
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>> Mike, we used to install Cornell batch water heaters and would put two
>> layers of pipe insulation with one following through the roof jack to
>> the water heater and the second layer from the collector to the roof
>> penetration, cut into an upside down funnel down glued over the rubber
>> gasket at the top of the roof flashing so water would flow to the
>> outside of the penetration. The theory was that as sunlight deteriorated
>> the rubber, a leak wouldn't develop where the pipe went through the roof
>> jack. Seemed to work as we never had call backs for leaks.
>>
>> Bill Dorsett
>> Sunwrights
>> Manhattan, KS
>>
>> Mike Forbes wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> > I'm just finally sitting down with a beer after installing the roof 
>> > portion
>> > of my drainback system. I have a question regarding melting points and 
>> > am
>> > hoping someone might have an opinion on this.
>> >
>> > What i have:
>> >
>> > 12" SIP roof (EPS foam) w/ metal roofing
>> > 128 sq. ft flat plate collectors (4 - Sunearth EP-32's)
>> > approx 30' of 3/4 copper run to storage tank
>> > Armacell pipe insulation everywhere except where it penetrates the 
>> > roof.
>> >
>> > What i'm wondering:
>> >
>> > as i was making the roof penetration I started thinking about the temps 
>> > the
>> > pipe would expect and what that would do to the EPS foam in the SIP.
>> > Looking at the MSDS on EPS foam it begins to soften at 175-220 degF for 
>> > most
>> > of the SIP manufacturers out there.
>> >
>> > What I did:
>> >
>> > Drilled a 2" hole through the roof.
>> > Made a copper pipe insulator to hold the 3/4 copper in the center of 
>> > the
>> > hole
>> > Used a silicone boot to seal the hole from the weather along with the 
>> > smelly
>> > sealant...
>> > There is approx 1/2"-5/8" airspace around the copper pipe going through 
>> > the
>> > SIP.
>> >
>> > What should I do:
>> >
>> > a) nothing, the airspace will keep the EPS from getting too hot
>> > b) put Armacell (230 degF working temp) around the 3/4 pipe in the SIP
>> > c) something else, suggestions?
>> >
>> > Thanks a bunch,
>> > Mike
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