[Greenbuilding] re OT What car?/Reuben (Bob Korves)

[MKL]

>There are physical limitations mainly because of
limited paradigms.

This sounds a bit "expert" to me but perhaps you mean
well and decry the dearth of populist realization of
the predicament ahead of them?

Solar recharged
?

Lets open this up a bit from toddling down to the
Farmers market on Saturday to maintaining a
manufacturing based society. Its understood that the
means by which populations have increased over the
past hundred years or so has resulted in death dealing
pollution/environmental extremes and in fact is it not
possible perhaps to say that for the many that have
lived (medical services ambulances, abundant cheap
electricity, home comfort etc) and reproduced will
through degraded environments suffer a price for this?

Certainly any society that has reached the level of
consumption that North America has should possibly
come to realize that solar powered "rechargables"
ain't gonna do it. Not while China is running off maxi
hydro at least. 
But all this pales in the light of the shift as you
say from the industrial to the 
well what? Cottage
industries ?  Fat chance 
Subsistence living without
fuel bills and early nights more likely
 Think 1850
France and  it doesn't seem so bad
but certainly not
easily achieved without wood to burn anywhere where
its Winter for over 3 months a year.

The sun is a big battery but provides slow fuel. Human
industrial needs mass worker transit, mass food
provision etc and has long gone past the point where a
few thousand acres of photovoltaics can power much of
anything other than a few "self sufficient" dreamers
and their 4000 squ feet pleasure domes in the desert.
But perhaps you know this. 



>The challenge is weaning the special interests and
some consumers off
>gasoline for mobility and maintaining it for all the
other things we
>need like plastic and fertilizer....

Ah
 the synthetic society
? You obviously know that
the food business is an "industry"? And you realize
that only a few can afford to eat "organic" food? But
lets not go there today.

>until we figure out alternative
>sources.

Right
Your domestic options are doable and well known
by those on this list I am sure and in themselves are
becoming an industry. Whether its rearranging the
deckchairs onthe Titanic remains to be seen though. I
suspect it is myself.



>I reject the conservationist mantra of lifestyle
reduction, spacial
>sacrifice and down toned existence.....

It has to be said that "down toned  existence" for
many of those cruising around on the good ship Mickey
Mouse probably implies having only one high def TV and
having only one car per household. A situation that
would be workable in a lot of other places but implies
austerity for a society where the population is told
that they have a constitutional right to be happy and
that the collective wellbeing of the population relies
completely on the population continuing to spend money
to such an extent that the government actually sends
them money to spend?


>sorry I have wings to unfurl.


Ah yes 
Where Eagles dare? The proud. The few. The
corporate militia?




>And, speaking of wings....the U.S. has already been
crossed by an
>airplane powered by solar cells.....

The money spent on this would probably have provided
water pumping equipment to some drought stricken part
of the world for a thousand years but hell can we deny
the thrill of seeing golf played on the moon?



so again I SHOUT......open your
>minds and rethink your paradigms.

Or get ready to move to Costa Rica.

Michael Lough



















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