[Greenbuilding] Virgin Steel

Fri May 9 14:32:30 CDT 2008

Just thought I'd chime in on this, given how much 
Amazon rainforests are being destroyed by iron 
productionŠ

Right on! to the people chiming in on the need to 
revise our use of the term 'virgin' when citing 
materials with non-recycled content. I suppose 
I'm just as guilty talking about 'virgin' 
forests, although I rarely use the term.

And a big 'hiss-boo-hiss' to anyone actually 
seeking out non-recycled-content anything - 
especially on this list. :  )

tim keating

At 10:28 AM -0600 5/2/08, William R Bloom wrote:
>I have worked years in the steel industry as a supplier
>and erector, purchased steel direct from US mills and on
>some jobs, from European mills.  I erected a story job in
>the Loop in Chicago where the column sections were too big
>for US mills to roll, I had to buy them from TradeARBED in
>Europe, float the sections across the Atlantic, through
>the St. Lawrence seaway and offload them in Green Bay to
>truck to my fabricator in Wisconsin.
>
>We never were concerned about the use of recycled steel,
>but about the mill certifications.  So long as the mill
>certs were appropriate, we had no reason to question the
>quality of the steel.  To ask for pure pour steel is not
>only ridiculous, unnecessary and possibly rare to
>impossible to get.  I would be surprised to find a
>supplier or fabricator who would even acknowledge the
>availability of this.
>
>
>On Fri, 2 May 2008 08:58:29 -0700 (PDT)
>   Beatrice Dohrn <beatricedohrn at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>  This list is an interesting place to swat someone down
>>on none other than the authority of the steel institute.
>>  I don't know much about them, but I'd venture to say
>>that if all of us waited for them and their counterparts
>>in places of power to give us permission to change the
>>culture, we'd be waiting a long time.  (Translation: if
>>you want to get in bed with them, go ahead.  I'll laugh
>>while they stick their shaft.....)
>>
>>
>>  Meanwhile the list is willing to propose altering the
>>culture's m.o. on  just about everything else. Changing
>>the language IS changing the culture.  Given all the
>>thoughtful responses on this list to almost anything, I'd
>>be pretty disappointed if nothing better than a defensive
>>reflex comes from the comment about "virgin steel."  I go
>>through my life and career on construction sites speaking
>>up every time I hear sexism - even the stuff that's hard
>>to recognize.  More of you - especially of the male
>>persuasion who are present when none of us are, ought to
>>have the clit to do the same! 
>>
>>  Bravo Jeannie, you are right - the term carries baggage
>>that we ought to abandon. 
>>
>>
>>  Beatrice Dohrn
>>
>>  On Fri, 5/2/08, GSAVP at aol.com <GSAVP at aol.com> wrote:>
>>From: GSAVP at aol.com <GSAVP at aol.com>> Subject: Re:
>>[Greenbuilding] Virgin Steel> To: jeannie at babb.com,
>>Greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org> Date: Friday, May 2,
>>2008, 8:51 AM> Jeannie:>  > I suggest you contact the
>>Steel Institute, and have them> revise their  >
>>definition. I have never met anyone with your take on>
>>"Virgin" and "recycled",  from > a positive / negative
>>perspective. As for your reference> toward women - got  >
>>anything stronger to comment on with respect to>
>>terminology? >  > FYI - Both men and women are born
>>virgins. >  > Gene Lisa>  > . >  >  > In a message dated
>>5/2/2008 8:45:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight> Time,  >
>>jeannie at babb.com writes:> > I've  said it before, but I
>>don't think we should> term non-recycled  products>
>>'virgin.'  It implies something good about new>
>>production  (that is somehow> more 'pure' or 'pristine,'
>>which is not> particularly true)  and it implies>
>>something very
>>  negative about recycled products AND also > about women.
>>  This> is the 21st century so I hope nobody still
>>believes  that> women who have sex> (you know, like your
>>wife and your mother) are  somehow> tainted, used, dirty>
>>or otherwise less than  'virginal.'> > > Jeannie> > >
>  >-----Original Message-----> From:
>>  greenbuilding-bounces at listserv.repp.org>
>>[mailto:greenbuilding-bounces at listserv.repp.org]  On
>>Behalf> Of GSAVP at aol.com> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 8:23
>>AM> To:  Greenbuilding at listserv.repp.org> Subject:
>>[Greenbuilding] Virgin  Steel> > > Good Morning:> >
>>Anyone know where I can buy "Virgin"  Steel with> no
>>recycled content, and if> > there is a premium price for
>>  this?> > Eugene M  Lisa> Verde Interior Products> 7601
>>Village  Green Drive> Winter Park, FL   32792>
>>www.verdeproducts.com> 407-230-4196 (Cell) - Preferred
>>   Contact> 407-678-5768 ( Call First) -   Fax> > > > >
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