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[Corwyn]

Gennaro Brooks-Church wrote:
> Corwyn,
> Are you trying to win an argument with me or trying to make a point?
> Because I'm not getting your point.
>   

Neither.  I am trying to understand what it is you are saying.  As I 
said before, I don't think we are communicating well. 

I am still hoping you will answer my question on how you design 
holistically without dividing into parts and assigning factors to those 
parts.  Or alternatively, if I am misunderstanding what you mean by 
holistic, what you do mean, and how it is better than putting the 
majority of ones effort into the most important aspects of the process.

> Several times in your emails over the past couple days you have put
> words in my mouth. Here is an example:
> " I get the feeling that you don't either, since you are complaining
> that astroturf in a sun space which is cheaply providing renewable
> heat to the building is by that one thing not 'green'."
>
> I never said the sun space wasn't green. In fact your own sentence
> shows how you are trying to twist my statement about astroturf not
> being green (which I did say, unless it is recycled) into me saying
> the sun room with astroturf isn't green (which I didn't say).
>   

Your exact words were:
"You can have an energy efficient sun room but the moment you line it 
with AstroTurf I'm not sure how green it is"

I read both those 'it's as referencing the room, not the astroturf.  
Thus the sentence without those pronouns says

"You can have an energy efficient sun room but the moment you line the 
sunroom with AstroTurf I'm not sure how green the sunroom is"

If translate the first 'it' as the room and the second 'it' as the 
astroturf, I get:

"You can have an energy efficient sun room but the moment you line the 
sunroom with AstroTurf I'm not sure how green the astroturf is."

Which doesn't make much sense to me.  It would seem to imply that you 
think that astroturf is only not green when it is put in a sunroom.  And 
if your point was that you don't think Astroturf by itself is green, I 
agree, but I don't know why you would bother to say it, as I expect it 
is not a revelation to anyone on this list.

The process I was using here is when I see a contradiction between two 
things you say, (as interpreted by me of course), to present that 
contradiction to you in my own words, so that you can either clear up 
where I misinterpreted, or explain how it is not a contradiction, or say 
that it is a contradiction, and what you plan to do about that.

> Do you see this? I don't like it because it makes discourse with you difficult.
>   
Nope.  But in the future, if you want to make sure that I am unable to 
twist your words (or am able to understand them), I would advise 
reducing the number of pronouns that might be misinterpreted.

Thank You Kindly,

Corwyn

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